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I vote for Marquez cuz he's the better fighter. And by all rights has already beaten Pac. He just didn't get the decision.
I think a lot of people think because Pacquiao has a lot of head movement that he isn't easy to hit. When thats false, because Pacquiao squares his shoulders up and he leaves a lot of countering opportunities. I also see a lot of people saying Marquez won't be able to pull of a miracle like he did the 1st time. But do people honestly think a great fighter like Marquez will be caught cold and off guard twice ?? i also think Marquez won the 1st fight i believe i had it 8 rounds to 4 for Marquez. The key to this fight for Marquez is countering and timing, he has to time Pacquiao's feints take a step back then rattle off a few quick sharp punches, then get out of there. I think Marquez should basically fight the same fight as he did the 1st time without the 1st round of course, he basically fought the perfect blueprint on how to beat Pacquiao. And if Marquez uses his tactics correctly by choosing when to be aggressive and when not to i think he will win a clear cut UD.
See your still stuck on the first fight, its where your totally wrong cause your not considering the big difference in the pacman then and the pac of now. Pac threw the same two jab-straight left all night at JMM in that first fight. It was pretty basic but JMM still had a hard time simply becuase pacs speed and dangerous power. You also stated that people think pac is hard to hit cause he has good head movement. Im not sure who said that but that is barely the reason why people think pac wins fights.IMO pac does that for offense first rather then a defensive tactic. He moves his whole upper body not just head movements side to side to give his oppenent different looks and angles it gives pac the hesitant second to land a misleading punch or some quick straights. Hopefully your actually watching footage cause if you are, eric did that in the first fight against pac. He use pacs body movement tactic against pac, marco also tried it in the rematch but it didn't work for him.

Another thing I would like to add that cause pac trouble is taunting him, eric did a lot of it during the first fight which made pac hesitant and a bit out of his comfort zone. That and what I stated earlier in my post helped eric to beat pac. Im so disspointed not many here do not see these basic facts and are quick to claim that pac will just lose cause eric beat him that lead them to conclude jmm will beat him too just cause....Come on first of all pac was a lot younger and raw those days and they still base it on those past fights but them themselve don't really see the true factors that led to pac losing to eric or a draw with jmm.

Man wheres CUTMEMICK, Im sure he'll give some good thoughts into why either JMM or pac will win rather then whats already been said in this thread which is dissapointing since this is a well respected boxing forum.
Mick thinks Marquez will win a UD, and i don't like what your implying either. Like are opinion isn't good enough.

You keep saying about these major improvement's but i didn't see any major improvements in Pacquiao in his last fight. He looked sloppy and if he fights Marquez the same way he will get beaten clearly.

Pacquiao has improved since the Marquez fight but it isn't *Major* improvements. Marquez can still work him out like i said earlier timing is the key here. Pacquiao is fast but the way to beat speed is timing. And Marquez is good at timing his opponent and then countering and getting out of there.

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For the record I have not cast in my vote, cause even though im a bigger fan of pac then a fan of jmm I am open to changing my opinion that pac will win in the later round. Like in the mab pac rematch I was persuaded by a great member in this forum to change my pick from pac to mab. Although I was wrong to change my pick, that member put out some great point for me to change my pick. I won't name that person. Hopefully someone again can be unbias and can provide some well thought out points like he did to why either Pac or JMM will win.

I thought you changed your pick because you was a long time fan of Barrera ?? plus you was going with your heart and not your head ?? i really don't know what else i can say, i have brought up all the reasons i think Marquez will win without being biased.
I just think you've base your thoughts on this coming rematch too much on the first fight. I can't believe your still convince pac has made no major improvements; the right hooks, the leg work, anticipating punches, better controlled aggression, THE SIZE, ring generalship,settlement, picking shots. Pac has improve those and it has made him a better boxer. In JMMs case he is brawling more, which is unlike him em i not right? BOTH fighter are not the same fighter they were when they first fought. I don't want to dismiss people that just keeps basing their opinion on the first fight but it makes no real sense since both fighters are NOT the same anymore.