Hamed v Marquez

[GRBOXINGFAN]

OK, Hamed's card was weak, not sure if anyone will dispute that, but... He did fight a few good fighters albeit only one great fighter IMO in MAB. Mccullough was a decent feather and Soto was a good one. Kelley was average to good as was Wilfredo Vasquez.

He had opportunities to fight MAB before he did, also JM Marquez, Morrales, Tapia, Enrique Sanchez, Jesus Chavez, Mayweather (at 130), Ayala, Derrick Gainer, Carlos Hernandez, How about moving 4 pounds up and fighting Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Carlso Rios, Gregario Vargas, Carlos Gerena, hell Jose Luis Castillo made 130 in the late 90s. I could go on... I just named 15 great or very good fighters who would've loved to fight Hamed and could have drawn reasonably to make it a worthwhile big fight for Hamed. Many of these guys openly lobbied to fight Hamed. I'm sure some of these fights couldn't be made for one reason or another, but just pick any 5 of these and I believe Hamed would have a card worthy of hall of fame consideration (of course he'd also have 4 or 5 more losses), some of those guys would've cut from 130 to 126 for the money and the chance to kick the Princes rear. Instead he fought the easiest possible guys with very little exception. The back flips and ring entrances will probably get him into the hall anyway, but more for being a side show than a great fighter.

Great fighters have at least a handful of great fighters on their card, Hamed has 1 and he got beat down by him. He should have at least 8 or 10 other fighters that are remembered as very good and he doesn't IMO. Maybe some of those other guys were modern day Willie Peps and I just don't know it, but this guy might be the most protected, over hyped and overrated fighter in history!

Hamed was entertaining, a guy people loved to hate. He had very good power, but almost no boxing acumen. I consider him a good to very good featherweight, but far from a great one. He made a ton of money by refusing to fight tough guys and showboating. I guess you can't blame him, he wouldn't of made much money getting his butt kicked by fighting the best fight in and fight out.

[Dark Lord Al]

Fact is Marquez was offerd a fight after a loss to Norwood .
Thats a fact , when he was regarded as no threat ( or thought to be no threat)
and VD is correct Hamed fought MAB cos he thought he would slug it out with him , and make him look good.
fact is if you are a limbo dancer with power you will never be an all time great.

[ICB]

I can understand if Marquez was disappointed about his fight with Norwood. But it still doesn't make sense why he would not take a big chance like that against the top name in the division. And fight for another 2 years against mostly unknown opponent's. And also Marquez was offered a rematch with Pacquiao, but he fights Chris John in his backyard for 35k then gets robbed. I just think Marquez's team or Marquez himself made a few bad choices in his career.

Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

So explain why Marquez POINT-BLANK REFUSED to fight Naz when offered the chance?

Maybe the contract was bullshit, maybe he was paying him back for POINT BLANK DUCKING him earlier. No way in hell was Marquez scared of that total fraud Naseem Hamed. Hamed was a joke and a clown. I doubt if most of the Mexican featherweights took him very seriously. Although he did manage to decision a respected journeyman Mexican name Ceasar Soto ( a strange fight if I remember, where Hamed resorted to a series of knees to beat his opponent, ref should have DQed him.), I thought I remember a quote from one of Barrera's camp that there are "20 Mexican featherweights tougher than Hamed" At the time I agreed with that quote and still do. Barerra exposed Hamed and that fight wasn't as close as the score cards suggested. Some schmuck gave me 5-2 in that fight and it was the easiest and surest $250 bucks I have ever made in my life. Vegas had the odds closer although I'm sure the Books in the UK had Hamed a huge favorite or something like that.

Never thought much of Kevin Kelley and Wayne McCullough was not much better, but this guy, Hamed, is another protected fighter who fought club fighters and talked mad smack and got beat down against a good fighter.

Man the key to being a rich and famous fighter is to fight bums. Just fight no names and talk a big game in knocking out nobodies and eventually you'll be 30-0. You can duck the whole of Mexico and make your fans believe you are actually one of the top guys in the World at your weight. Yeah, maybe someday you'll have to answer the bell against 1 real fighter, but then you can retire a rich man and still pretend you were a great fighter after getting your a*** whooped. I guess Hamed has a lot of company in taking this rout to "greatness" though. Hamed's career choices contained more ducks than the whole Country of Canada. Should I really start listing the fighters that Princess Naseem Hamed Ducked? My keyboard might wear out.

I hate Naseem but to say he fought all bums is ridiculous he won the WBO, WBC, titles from good opponents. Naz also fought Barrera who was on a good winning steak and his only loss in years was to Erik Morales who was undefeated and one of the top P4P fighters, so he if he was *Ducking* all the top Mexican fighters why would he have fought Barrera ?? who was one of the best Mexican fighters at that time. The fact is Marquez had beaten only a few goodish names like Agapito Sanchez, Julian Wheeler, when he offered Naseem a fight so it was High Risk/Low Reward fight. And you talk about Soto vs Naz controversy why don't you see Marquez vs Wheeler. That was even more controversial because Marquez was losing the fight coming into the last round and got a gift when the ref DQ Wheeler, and strangely awarded Marquez TKO victory. Marquez is one of my favorite fighters and yes he was the Number 1 contender but you have to realize Marquez wasn't really a known name at that time and like i said earlier it was a High Risk/Low Reward fight for Naz.

Hamed fought Barrera cuz Barrera was moving up in weight. And after the Morales fight Hamed thought Barrera would stand toe to toe with him. Which is something Hamed wanted. He wanted to score an impressive knock out over the smaller Barrera. Hamed figured wrong and got embarrassed instead. As for the Marquez-Wheeler fight, have your ever even seen the fight? From what I remember Wheeler was doing a lot of holding. And was warned several times. In the last round he was hurt and on the verge of being knocked out. When he again started holding and refused to let go. And in the process lost the fight. I saw no problem with the decision.

It was still a big risk and lets not forget many people thought Barrera beat Morales, and plus Barrera was considered one of the top Mexican fighters at that time. And yes i have seen Marquez vs Wheeler but it was years ago. But from what i remember i had Wheeler ahead clearly going into last round and yes Wheeler did clinch a lot. But i still think Marquez was a bit lucky considering he was on his way to losing a decision IMO. But what was strange to me is that the ref awarded Marquez a TKO victory. But im not trying to discredit Marquez he was inexperienced, and Wheeler is a tough cookie he gave most of the top fighters all they could handle.

OK, Hamed's card was weak, not sure if anyone will dispute that, but... He did fight a few good fighters albeit only one great fighter IMO in MAB. Mccullough was a decent feather and Soto was a good one. Kelley was average to good as was Wilfredo Vasquez.

He had opportunities to fight MAB before he did, also JM Marquez, Morrales, Tapia, Enrique Sanchez, Jesus Chavez, Mayweather (at 130), Ayala, Derrick Gainer, Carlos Hernandez, How about moving 4 pounds up and fighting Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Carlso Rios, Gregario Vargas, Carlos Gerena, hell Jose Luis Castillo made 130 in the late 90s. I could go on... I just named 15 great or very good fighters who would've loved to fight Hamed and could have drawn reasonably to make it a worthwhile big fight for Hamed. Many of these guys openly lobbied to fight Hamed. I'm sure some of these fights couldn't be made for one reason or another, but just pick any 5 of these and I believe Hamed would have a card worthy of hall of fame consideration (of course he'd also have 4 or 5 more losses), some of those guys would've cut from 130 to 126 for the money and the chance to kick the Princes rear. Instead he fought the easiest possible guys with very little exception. The back flips and ring entrances will probably get him into the hall anyway, but more for being a side show than a great fighter.

Great fighters have at least a handful of great fighters on their card, Hamed has 1 and he got beat down by him. He should have at least 8 or 10 other fighters that are remembered as very good and he doesn't IMO. Maybe some of those other guys were modern day Willie Peps and I just don't know it, but this guy might be the most protected, over hyped and overrated fighter in history!

Hamed was entertaining, a guy people loved to hate. He had very good power, but almost no boxing acumen. I consider him a good to very good featherweight, but far from a great one. He made a ton of money by refusing to fight tough guys and showboating. I guess you can't blame him, he wouldn't of made much money getting his butt kicked by fighting the best fight in and fight out.

He had opportunities to fight MAB before he did, also JM Marquez, Morrales, Tapia, Enrique Sanchez, Jesus Chavez, Mayweather (at 130), Ayala, Derrick Gainer, Carlos Hernandez, How about moving 4 pounds up and fighting Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Carlso Rios, Gregario Vargas, Carlos Gerena, hell Jose Luis Castillo made 130 in the late 90s. I could go on...

They were all Super Featherweights/Lightweights except for a few on your list, but Naseem didn't need to move up because he was the man at Featherweight, many fighters in the past have dominated 1 division and didn't move up. Most of those fights would have been a big disadvantage to Naseem, because most of those fighter's were much bigger than Naseem.

Like i said i never liked Naz and i was glad Barrera beat the stuffing out of him, i also think that was hilarious when Barrera slammed Naz's head into turn buckle. But i just think people are being little bit unfair to Naz and forgetting that he was the man at Featherweight and he did beat some quality fighters. I have never considered Naseem one of the greats, but i do consider him to be top 10 Featherweight.

Fact is Marquez was offerd a fight after a loss to Norwood .
Thats a fact , when he was regarded as no threat ( or thought to be no threat)
and VD is correct Hamed fought MAB cos he thought he would slug it out with him , and make him look good.
fact is if you are a limbo dancer with power you will never be an all time great.

Marquez wasn't a known name before the Norwood fight, and yes Naz did only offer Marquez a fight after seeing his ugly fight with Norwood. But he still offered him the fight and Marquez should have took it, i honestly think Marquez would have gave Naz a boxing lesson so i don't know why he didn't take the fight.

As for Barrera like i said to VD Barrera was still considered a major threat. And his only loss in years was a controversial decision loss to Morales in which many people thought he won. Naz still needs to be given props for taking the fight because its not like Barrera was a shot fighter or was coming off a bad loss. Barrera was coming off one of his greatest performances in one of the greatest fights of all time.

[GRBOXINGFAN]

8 of the 1st 9 guys I mentioned were fighting regularly at 126 when Hamed was in his prime. Some of them went onto bigger and better things at 130 and 135, but all of them were viable opponents at 126 for Hamed. Of the rest I mentioned Hamed could go up, but I'd bet most of those guys would've cut the 4 lbs to fight Prince. I'll give him this: He knew his limitations and picked his opponents accordingly.

[GAME]

I dont think Marquez had the chin he'd need to beat Nas . JMM was floored heavily by Pac and Barrera plus got beaten by Chris John and Norwood . I think a peak Nas would have taken him