Miranda Vs. Banks

[El Kabong]

Miranda will win by KO there is no doubt


The only problem is Miranda is his own worst enemy, he gets so frustrated when his opponent doesn't stand still or fights back, God help him if he ever fought Sam Soliman

[Pantera]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

[Hulk]

Miranda could box his way out of a paper bag, and I have a feeling his lack of a jab will have him eating right counters until the end. I'm picking Banks by decision, buthe could get sparked at any minute if Miranda catches him with a telegraphed bomb.

Seeing Miranda lose to Banks would not surprise me

Really? Cus it would surprise the hell outta me!

[ICB]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

[Pantera]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

[ICB]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

No they wouldn't that was a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, he also threw many low blows in the fight and threw punches after the bell. If you think Miranda boxed mostly a clean fight then i think your kidding yourself. Ask anyone on this forum if they think Miranda fought a clean fight vs Abraham and see what there reply is.

[Pantera]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

No they wouldn't that was a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, he also threw many low blows in the fight and threw punches after the bell. If you think Miranda boxed mostly a clean fight then i think that is a joke. Ask anyone on this forum if they think Miranda fought a clean fight vs Abraham.

You are dead wrong about the headbutt. Happens all the time with warnings.
Go watch the 5th round again. Even the dickhead Randy Neumann was letting the headbutt go as a warning until Abraham went to his corner crying.
He pulled them apart, told Miranda to 'Watch the Head' and was getting ready to resume the action. Abraham walks away selling it worse than it was. Neumann calls a halt and than decides to deduct 2 points.
So talk your dirty fight to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. I would bet my dick that Neuman was paid off by Sauerland. It wouldnt be the first time. Been caught doing it before.

[ICB]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

No they wouldn't that was a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, he also threw many low blows in the fight and threw punches after the bell. If you think Miranda boxed mostly a clean fight then i think that is a joke. Ask anyone on this forum if they think Miranda fought a clean fight vs Abraham.

You are dead wrong about the headbutt. Happens all the time with warnings.
Go watch the 5th round again. Even the dickhead Randy Neumann was letting the headbutt go as a warning until Abraham went to his corner crying.
He pulled them apart, told Miranda to 'Watch the Head' and was getting ready to resume the action. Abraham walks away selling it worse than it was. Neumann calls a halt and than decides to deduct 2 points.
So talk your dirty fight to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. I would bet my dick that Neuman was paid off by Sauerland. It wouldnt be the first time. Been caught doing it before.

It was still a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, and he still deserved to have a point deduction. Go talk my dirty fight to someone who doesn't know what there talking about ?? most boxing fans who watched the fight considered it a very dirty fight from Miranda. Your the only one who i've seen saying Miranda boxed *Mostly Clean Fight* so basically all the knowledgeable boxing fans and all the boxing experts are wrong and your right yes ??

[Hulk]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

No they wouldn't that was a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, he also threw many low blows in the fight and threw punches after the bell. If you think Miranda boxed mostly a clean fight then i think that is a joke. Ask anyone on this forum if they think Miranda fought a clean fight vs Abraham.

You are dead wrong about the headbutt. Happens all the time with warnings.
Go watch the 5th round again. Even the dickhead Randy Neumann was letting the headbutt go as a warning until Abraham went to his corner crying.
He pulled them apart, told Miranda to 'Watch the Head' and was getting ready to resume the action. Abraham walks away selling it worse than it was. Neumann calls a halt and than decides to deduct 2 points.
So talk your dirty fight to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. I would bet my dick that Neuman was paid off by Sauerland. It wouldnt be the first time. Been caught doing it before.

Dude, no matter how sure you are, NEVER bet your dick. Ya need it for fucking and stuff.
And fuk all these people who are so down on Miranda all of a sudden! The guy lost ONE, ONE damn fight, to the MW champion and suddenly "anybody can outbox Miranda" and "I wouldn't be surprised to see Banks beat him" and "if Banks even comes close to winning, Miranda is done". Fuk all that nonsense! Miranda is a savage, a warrior, and has one punch knockout power and an iron will. Banks will fall, and so will a lot more before Miranda hangs them up.

[Pantera]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

No they wouldn't that was a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, he also threw many low blows in the fight and threw punches after the bell. If you think Miranda boxed mostly a clean fight then i think that is a joke. Ask anyone on this forum if they think Miranda fought a clean fight vs Abraham.

You are dead wrong about the headbutt. Happens all the time with warnings.
Go watch the 5th round again. Even the dickhead Randy Neumann was letting the headbutt go as a warning until Abraham went to his corner crying.
He pulled them apart, told Miranda to 'Watch the Head' and was getting ready to resume the action. Abraham walks away selling it worse than it was. Neumann calls a halt and than decides to deduct 2 points.
So talk your dirty fight to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. I would bet my dick that Neuman was paid off by Sauerland. It wouldnt be the first time. Been caught doing it before.

Dude, no matter how sure you are, NEVER bet your dick. Ya need it for fucking and stuff.
And fuk all these people who are so down on Miranda all of a sudden! The guy lost ONE, ONE damn fight, to the MW champion and suddenly "anybody can outbox Miranda" and "I wouldn't be surprised to see Banks beat him" and "if Banks even comes close to winning, Miranda is done". Fuk all that nonsense! Miranda is a savage, a warrior, and has one punch knockout power and an iron will. Banks will fall, and so will a lot more before Miranda hangs them up.

well said!

[ICB]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

No they wouldn't that was a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, he also threw many low blows in the fight and threw punches after the bell. If you think Miranda boxed mostly a clean fight then i think that is a joke. Ask anyone on this forum if they think Miranda fought a clean fight vs Abraham.

You are dead wrong about the headbutt. Happens all the time with warnings.
Go watch the 5th round again. Even the dickhead Randy Neumann was letting the headbutt go as a warning until Abraham went to his corner crying.
He pulled them apart, told Miranda to 'Watch the Head' and was getting ready to resume the action. Abraham walks away selling it worse than it was. Neumann calls a halt and than decides to deduct 2 points.
So talk your dirty fight to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. I would bet my dick that Neuman was paid off by Sauerland. It wouldnt be the first time. Been caught doing it before.

Dude, no matter how sure you are, NEVER bet your dick. Ya need it for F****** and stuff.
And fuk all these people who are so down on Miranda all of a sudden! The guy lost ONE, ONE damn fight, to the MW champion and suddenly "anybody can outbox Miranda" and "I wouldn't be surprised to see Banks beat him" and "if Banks even comes close to winning, Miranda is done". Fuk all that nonsense! Miranda is a savage, a warrior, and has one punch knockout power and an iron will. Banks will fall, and so will a lot more before Miranda hangs them up.

I have always thought Miranda could get out boxed by Super Middleweights like Bute, Mundine, Kessler. Miranda even before the Pavlik fight showed major flaws with defense, and his lack of boxing skills. No one ever denied that Miranda has heart and a big punch, but that doesn't change the fact that he is very beatable especially against skilled fighters like Bute, Mundine, Kessler.

[Pantera]

If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

No they wouldn't that was a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, he also threw many low blows in the fight and threw punches after the bell. If you think Miranda boxed mostly a clean fight then i think that is a joke. Ask anyone on this forum if they think Miranda fought a clean fight vs Abraham.

You are dead wrong about the headbutt. Happens all the time with warnings.
Go watch the 5th round again. Even the dickhead Randy Neumann was letting the headbutt go as a warning until Abraham went to his corner crying.
He pulled them apart, told Miranda to 'Watch the Head' and was getting ready to resume the action. Abraham walks away selling it worse than it was. Neumann calls a halt and than decides to deduct 2 points.
So talk your dirty fight to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. I would bet my dick that Neuman was paid off by Sauerland. It wouldnt be the first time. Been caught doing it before.

It was still a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, and he still deserved to have a point deduction. Go talk my dirty fight to someone who doesn't know what there talking about ?? most boxing fans who watched the fight considered it a very dirty fight from Miranda. Your the only one who i've seen saying Miranda boxed *Mostly Clean Fight* so basically all the knowledgeable boxing fans and all the boxing experts are wrong and your right yes ??

You are starting to get deeper and say way more than you know.
Show me a boxing expert that said Miranda fought dirty!

I guess you dont remember the controversy that came after the fight when EVERY North American boxing 'expert' (except for Graham Houston) thought Miranda got screwed. There were countless articles, from Dan Rafael to Greg Leon, from the WBO to the IBF, from the tops of HBO boxing to the commentators on ESPN.....

Say something else to make you sound foolish...

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If Banks comes in confident I believe he could even win this. I've never rated Miranda at all. I picked him all along to get fucked up big time by Kelly Pavlik, I was amazed how he started favourite for that fight. I also thought Allan Green would have knocked him out and maybe without his colon troubles he would have.

He was hailed for his performance against King Arthur and I just didn't get that. Any decent fighter who sees their opponents jaw hanging off their face after 5 rounds and still doesn't force a stoppage clearly has limited boxing ability. He's just a slugger.

I just don't rate Miranda as anything beyond a big punch. He'll probably beat Banks, as I expect Banks will have that deer in the headlights look about him come fight night but Miranda, like Jeff Lacy is one of those fighters whose aura has been shot to pieces and they will never be a force again.

Miranda is going to be a highlight reel KO for the next batch of prospects coming through.

If Banks comes close to winning this fight I will throw in the Pantera towel for good.
I completely disagree with almost everything you say. Miranda beat Abraham, if not for the protection from the ref he would have stopped him. In that fight Tyson would not have been able to finish the job. Allan may not have been 100%, but Edison dominated that fight and boxed Allan's ears off. At 100% there would be little difference. Edison came down from 210 to 160 in 6 weeks to make the Pavlik fight. He too was far from 100%, and even if he was I dunno if he coulda stopped Pavlik. But I think at 168lbs, a much better weight for him, he will carry his power and be more dangerous.

I respect your opinion, and we will continue to disagree until he proves one of us wrong. I am still a believer.

Miranda was lucky he didn't get DQ in the Abraham fight, his fouling was a disgrace. I think Miranda did beat the stuffing out of Abraham and would of won without the point deductions. But i actually think Miranda was lucky he was allowed to even carry on i wouldn't say the ref was protecting Abraham. As for the Green fight i wasn't impressed with Miranda or Green especially Green though, because Green kept running and he showed no desire to win plus he kept looking at his shoes what the hell was that all about ?? even when Green dropped Miranda he showed no fire or any desire to even try and finish off Miranda.

Miranda has never been that good IMO, he is very limited and was exposed in the Pavlik fight that he couldn't fight on the back foot. Im not saying Miranda is a bad fighter, but he has no real boxing skills and his defense is very sloppy.

Miranda DQ'd? That is a joke. Abraham was fouling as much, if not more than Edison. He was just allowed to get away with it. Other than the headbutt, which many refs would have let go with a warning, he fought a very clean fight. Yea, there were 1-2 shots on the beltline. But this is boxing. Happens all the damn time and usually is never called. Did he hit him one time in the nuts? Hell no, not even close! Abraham just pussied his way into selling fouls to the ref. Anywhere else but Germany the result of this fight is win for Miranda.

No they wouldn't that was a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, he also threw many low blows in the fight and threw punches after the bell. If you think Miranda boxed mostly a clean fight then i think that is a joke. Ask anyone on this forum if they think Miranda fought a clean fight vs Abraham.

You are dead wrong about the headbutt. Happens all the time with warnings.
Go watch the 5th round again. Even the dickhead Randy Neumann was letting the headbutt go as a warning until Abraham went to his corner crying.
He pulled them apart, told Miranda to 'Watch the Head' and was getting ready to resume the action. Abraham walks away selling it worse than it was. Neumann calls a halt and than decides to deduct 2 points.
So talk your dirty fight to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about. I would bet my dick that Neuman was paid off by Sauerland. It wouldnt be the first time. Been caught doing it before.

It was still a blatant deliberate headbutt from Miranda, and he still deserved to have a point deduction. Go talk my dirty fight to someone who doesn't know what there talking about ?? most boxing fans who watched the fight considered it a very dirty fight from Miranda. Your the only one who i've seen saying Miranda boxed *Mostly Clean Fight* so basically all the knowledgeable boxing fans and all the boxing experts are wrong and your right yes ??

You are starting to get deeper and say way more than you know.
Show me a boxing expert that said Miranda fought dirty!

I guess you dont remember the controversy that came after the fight when EVERY North American boxing 'expert' (except for Graham Houston) thought Miranda got screwed. There were countless articles, from Dan Rafael to Greg Leon, from the WBO to the IBF, from the tops of HBO boxing to the commentators on ESPN.....

Say something else to make you sound foolish...

Better yet why don't you go make a Poll right now and see how many people agree that Miranda fought a dirty fight, and see how many thought he fought clean fight that way you can understand what im saying. Me sound foolish ?? when did i ever bring up the decision ?? i was pointing out Miranda fought a dirty fight and was lucky not to get DQ. I never said anything about the decision so i don't know what your trying to get at, i remember that almost everyone on this forum agreed that Miranda fought a dirty fight. And i respect and regard most of the members opinion's here very highly, because they know a lot about boxing and most of them have been watching boxing since i wasn't even born.

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I too respect their opinions, as well as yours. But when you start saying every 'expert' disagrees with me, well I have to choice to call you foolish, because you are dead wrong!

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I too respect their opinions, as well as yours. But when you start saying every 'expert' disagrees with me, well I have to choice to call you foolish, because you are dead wrong!

When i said that comment i meant *Most* experts maybe i worded it wrong but that was my point. Im not trying to put your boy down i think he is an exciting fighter and i enjoy watching him fight. I just disagree that he fought a clean fight in the Abraham fight i will give you a CC and hopefully we can end this now.