Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
Thank you 1-hitWonder, CC ....I am glad someone took the time to actually read all that.


Let me break some stuff down for KL who is obviously unable or unwilling to learn FACTS about the Republican candidates especially John McCain.

You seem to think that republicans can't have positions without being "positions have been carefully crafted to appeal to the broad middle of the country".......and on top of that WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH APPEALING TO THE MAJORITY OF THE NATION?!?!?!

McCain is against torture because he has been through it and been forced to admit things that were wrong....7 years in the Hanoi Hilton at least to me means that he has REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE IN THIS MATTER unlike any other candidate.

Yes he spoke at Falwell's school really that's the only thing I have seen him really change his mind about.

He has supported the war, he has supported the surge from day 1 he has never faltered on it, though he has thought that it was mishandled by Rumsfeld and he was right.

McCain opposed the tax cuts mainly because you can't have a tax cut without first having a cut in spending


KL I don't expect to ever win any arguments with you because obviously you're a leftist bigot

And now you're saying that I'm unable or unwilling to learn facts. I thought Americans didn't do irony?

McCain has flip flopped on torture, Iraq, you name it. I bet you can't find half a dozen issues where he hasn't flip flopped at some point in his career.

Here are some facts about flip flopping John McCain :


In 1999, McCain was in New Hampshire, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a moderate. He proclaimed himself a pro-life candidate, but told reporters that “in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” He explained that overturning Roe would force “women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” Yesterday, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the opposite.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to turn to Iraq. You’re for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with some exceptions for life and rape and incest.

MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasn’t advanced in the six years he’s been in office. What are you going to do to advance a constitutional amendment that President Bush hasn’t done?

MCCAIN: I don’t think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that it’s very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should — could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these decisions to the states, which I support…. Just as I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states.

The old McCain didn’t want an amendment and didn’t want Roe overturned. The new McCain completely disagrees with the old McCain.


* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.


Here's a short film of arch-bullshitter McCain flip flopping on a bunch of issues :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90...entry_id=13035