Who's the lineal champ at 175?

[Mr140]

It is always either Ice or Teath saying that he should of come and Fought Jones but hey he was the champ so Roy should of come to him but we will never see the fight so o well wonder if Ice is coming on this. People tend to have a double standard when it comes to other countries to fight its funney the way it works Calzaghe is a good example.

[CutMeMick]

I'm confused,maybe I have misread something but it says Zsolt Erdei.So how is B Hop the Lineal champion too?

Gamo heres my understanding and how it went. I'll trace the lineal a few years back.
This is IMO the Lineal Championship flow excuse me if the dates are wrong or for any misspells. :P

I'll start from this year as it was a year that begins with the Lineal being vacated (That plus the book I have starts off there also )

1939 - Conn vs. Bettina (It was decided by the 2 (NYS & NBA) major bodies that the winner of this fight would be the champion)

1939 to 1941 - Billy Conn (vacates the title)
1941 to 1948 - Gus Lesnevich
1948 to 1950 - Freddie Mills
1950 to 1952 - Joey Maxim
1952 to 1962 - Archie Moore (Moore is stripped of the titles)

1962 - Johnson vs. Jones (This fight is made to decide who is the champion)

1962 to 1962 - Harold Johnson
1963 to 1965 - Willie Pastrano
1965 to 1966 - Jose Torres
1966 to 1968 - Dick Tiger
1968 to 1974 - Bob Foster (Foster retires in '74)

And heres where it begins to get a little shady.... So pay close attention. After Foster took off there were a shit load of LHW wanting to claim status of Lineal Champ you had guys like Galindez, Rossman, Cuello, Conteh and at least 4 or 5 more guys who were all the cream of the crop.
From '74 to '83 there were a lot of fighters claiming to be the real champs but it wasn't until '81 that we actually got a Lineal Champ.

* Spinks beat Mustafa for the WBA title (The NBA & NYS titles used to be the major ones the NBA later became the WBA which is why it's considered to be the most respect)
* Braxton (aka. Qawi) then beat Saad for the WBC title
* In '83 Spinks (WBA) beat Braxton (aka. Qawi) (WBC) to claim himself as the Lineal Champ.

1983 to 1985 - Michael Spinks (vacates the titles)
1996 to 1997 - Virgil Hill
1997 to 2003 - Dariusz Michalczewski
2003 to 2004 - Julio Cesar Gonzalez (2003-2004)
2004 to present - Zsolt Erdei

Although RJJ held all the titles and was a decorated fighter that is why I've always said and will continue to say sure RJJ had all those skills and ability but not once did he "tango" with a REAL champion for a title. Every title he picked up was a given title it's that simple. NOt hating on RJJ I've just always said the truth and the facts.

So there you have it that's my input.

[Spicoli]

Im fuzzy here,Did Maske and Hill fight for Vacant title first time around??

[CutMeMick]

Im fuzzy here,Did Maske and Hill fight for Vacant title first time around??

When they fought in '96 Hill was (WBA champ) and Maske was (IBF champ) so when Hill won that's when Hill became the Lineal champ ONLY after wining that fight.

[Spicoli]

Im fuzzy here,Did Maske and Hill fight for Vacant title first time around??

When they fought in '96 Hill was (WBA champ) and Maske was (IBF champ) so when Hill won that's when Hill became the Lineal champ ONLY after wining that fight.

No s!!!, Thanks Mick.Nice break down.Hope Hill calls it aday,Dont want to see these two go for trilogy another ten down the road

[CutMeMick]

Im fuzzy here,Did Maske and Hill fight for Vacant title first time around??

When they fought in '96 Hill was (WBA champ) and Maske was (IBF champ) so when Hill won that's when Hill became the Lineal champ ONLY after wining that fight.

No s!!!, Thanks Mick.Nice break down.Hope Hill calls it aday,Dont want to see these two go for trilogy another ten down the road

No problems Spicoli. I'm with you on that PLEASE NO MORE HILL-MASKE fights please!!

[El Gamo]

I'm confused,maybe I have misread something but it says Zsolt Erdei.So how is B Hop the Lineal champion too?

Gamo heres my understanding and how it went. I'll trace the lineal a few years back.
This is IMO the Lineal Championship flow excuse me if the dates are wrong or for any misspells. :P

I'll start from this year as it was a year that begins with the Lineal being vacated (That plus the book I have starts off there also )

1939 - Conn vs. Bettina (It was decided by the 2 (NYS & NBA) major bodies that the winner of this fight would be the champion)

1939 to 1941 - Billy Conn (vacates the title)
1941 to 1948 - Gus Lesnevich
1948 to 1950 - Freddie Mills
1950 to 1952 - Joey Maxim
1952 to 1962 - Archie Moore (Moore is stripped of the titles)

1962 - Johnson vs. Jones (This fight is made to decide who is the champion)

1962 to 1962 - Harold Johnson
1963 to 1965 - Willie Pastrano
1965 to 1966 - Jose Torres
1966 to 1968 - Dick Tiger
1968 to 1974 - Bob Foster (Foster retires in '74)

And heres where it begins to get a little shady.... So pay close attention. After Foster took off there were a shit load of LHW wanting to claim status of Lineal Champ you had guys like Galindez, Rossman, Cuello, Conteh and at least 4 or 5 more guys who were all the cream of the crop.
From '74 to '83 there were a lot of fighters claiming to be the real champs but it wasn't until '81 that we actually got a Lineal Champ.

* Spinks beat Mustafa for the WBA title (The NBA & NYS titles used to be the major ones the NBA later became the WBA which is why it's considered to be the most respect)
* Braxton (aka. Qawi) then beat Saad for the WBC title
* In '83 Spinks (WBA) beat Braxton (aka. Qawi) (WBC) to claim himself as the Lineal Champ.

1983 to 1985 - Michael Spinks (vacates the titles)
1996 to 1997 - Virgil Hill
1997 to 2003 - Dariusz Michalczewski
2003 to 2004 - Julio Cesar Gonzalez (2003-2004)
2004 to present - Zsolt Erdei

Although RJJ held all the titles and was a decorated fighter that is why I've always said and will continue to say sure RJJ had all those skills and ability but not once did he "tango" with a REAL champion for a title. Every title he picked up was a given title it's that simple. NOt hating on RJJ I've just always said the truth and the facts.

So there you have it that's my input.

CC,that explained alot. So can someone answer these 2 questions for me please:

1.) When Bernard fought Tarver and won,he didNOT become the lineal champion?

2.) is the lineal champion the same as the RING mag 1 champ per division?If not,which is the more respectable.

Sorry for all the questions and thanks.

[The Rookie Fan]

I'm confused,maybe I have misread something but it says Zsolt Erdei.So how is B Hop the Lineal champion too?

Gamo heres my understanding and how it went. I'll trace the lineal a few years back.
This is IMO the Lineal Championship flow excuse me if the dates are wrong or for any misspells. :P

I'll start from this year as it was a year that begins with the Lineal being vacated (That plus the book I have starts off there also )

1939 - Conn vs. Bettina (It was decided by the 2 (NYS & NBA) major bodies that the winner of this fight would be the champion)

1939 to 1941 - Billy Conn (vacates the title)
1941 to 1948 - Gus Lesnevich
1948 to 1950 - Freddie Mills
1950 to 1952 - Joey Maxim
1952 to 1962 - Archie Moore (Moore is stripped of the titles)

1962 - Johnson vs. Jones (This fight is made to decide who is the champion)

1962 to 1962 - Harold Johnson
1963 to 1965 - Willie Pastrano
1965 to 1966 - Jose Torres
1966 to 1968 - Dick Tiger
1968 to 1974 - Bob Foster (Foster retires in '74)

And heres where it begins to get a little shady.... So pay close attention. After Foster took off there were a S*** load of LHW wanting to claim status of Lineal Champ you had guys like Galindez, Rossman, Cuello, Conteh and at least 4 or 5 more guys who were all the cream of the crop.
From '74 to '83 there were a lot of fighters claiming to be the real champs but it wasn't until '81 that we actually got a Lineal Champ.

* Spinks beat Mustafa for the WBA title (The NBA & NYS titles used to be the major ones the NBA later became the WBA which is why it's considered to be the most respect)
* Braxton (aka. Qawi) then beat Saad for the WBC title
* In '83 Spinks (WBA) beat Braxton (aka. Qawi) (WBC) to claim himself as the Lineal Champ.

1983 to 1985 - Michael Spinks (vacates the titles)
1996 to 1997 - Virgil Hill
1997 to 2003 - Dariusz Michalczewski
2003 to 2004 - Julio Cesar Gonzalez (2003-2004)
2004 to present - Zsolt Erdei

Although RJJ held all the titles and was a decorated fighter that is why I've always said and will continue to say sure RJJ had all those skills and ability but not once did he "tango" with a REAL champion for a title. Every title he picked up was a given title it's that simple. NOt hating on RJJ I've just always said the truth and the facts.

So there you have it that's my input.

CC,that explained alot. So can someone answer these 2 questions for me please:

1.) When Bernard fought Tarver and won,he didNOT become the lineal champion?

2.) is the lineal champion the same as the RING mag 1 champ per division?If not,which is the more respectable.

Sorry for all the questions and thanks.

1) No and 2) Not necesarily though they might be the same. e.g. Hatton at 140 and Mayweather at 147

As for who is more respectable. I'd say THE RING champion and you can use Jones Jr. as an example of that. Not many people considered Dariusz the real champion. Hell I didn't at the time, it was only later that I looked it up and found out he was the actual lineal champ.

[El Gamo]

CC Rookie fan,really appreciate the input.

[ICB]

Jones offered Dariusz Michalczewski a fight in USA but Dariusz Michalczewski didn't want to know. And Jones didn't want to go to Germany after what happened to him in the Olympics. Both men were making a lot of money and didn't need to leave home so it could have never of happened really it was an awkward situation.

[ICB]

Roy JOnes and Virgill didn't even really fight at light heavyweight, both weighed over the limit. Anyways Roy won his belts against Montell Griffin, Lou Del Valle, and Reggie Johnson, Darius wouldn't come over to fight Roy so Roy was the lineal champ and he had the WBC, WBA and IBF belts.

If Darius was Linear champ maybe Roy should've gone over to fight him

Yep Jones should of gone over to Germany and win 10 out of the 12 rounds. But to the disbelief of us boxing fans and Roy Jones Jr still lose a decision

[Galaxy]

IMO Erdei is not the linear champ! Dariusz only unified two portions of the title & then planned to move to cruiser (which is about the time he was stripped, he later changed his mind). It was considered that to be the undisputed champion you have to unify all 3 belts just like Pernell Whitaker did at 135.

[CutMeMick]

IMO Erdei is not the linear champ! Dariusz only unified two portions of the title & then planned to move to cruiser (which is about the time he was stripped, he later changed his mind). It was considered that to be the undisputed champion you have to unify all 3 belts just like Pernell Whitaker did at 135.

Not the ole' Dariusz stripping titles again what they did to him was wrong theres no other way about it.

[BIG H]

Roy JOnes and Virgill didn't even really fight at light heavyweight, both weighed over the limit. Anyways Roy won his belts against Montell Griffin, Lou Del Valle, and Reggie Johnson, Darius wouldn't come over to fight Roy so Roy was the lineal champ and he had the WBC, WBA and IBF belts.

If Darius was Linear champ maybe Roy should've gone over to fight him

Yep Jones should of gone over to Germany and win 10 out of the 12 rounds. But to the disbelief of us boxing fans and Roy Jones Jr still lose a decision

Nah it would've been better for Darius to go over to Vegas where he would definitely get a totally fair decision in the squeeky clean US

[Galaxy]

IMO Erdei is not the linear champ! Dariusz only unified two portions of the title & then planned to move to cruiser (which is about the time he was stripped, he later changed his mind). It was considered that to be the undisputed champion you have to unify all 3 belts just like Pernell Whitaker did at 135.

Not the ole' Dariusz stripping titles again what they did to him was wrong theres no other way about it.

I totally agree that he was stripped unfairly, he had to defend in 30 days for one organisation & the other stripped him cause he showed their belt with his original one. That's just another reason why I don't pay much attention to the alphabet idiots.

But my point is still Michalczewski only unified two thirds, whilst Jones unified all 3 making him the undisputed champion & following that line Hopkins is now the linear champ!