Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time, finalized list

[Sugar_Shaw]

Ok, here is the 16 boxers who will compete for the title of Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Emile Griffith
Thomas Hearns
Pernell Whitaker
Jose Angel Napoles
Kid Gavilan
Henry Armstrong
Carlos Palomino
'Barbados' Joe Walcott
Floyd Mayweather jr.
Felix Trinidad
Donald Curry
Oscar De La Hoya
Pipino Cuevas
Simon Brown

That's it

List of first round fights to be posted shortly

[Sugar_Shaw]

The draw for Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time is done by all 2 fighters being chosen at random and then they go on to 'fight' each other fo a place in the next round, this is done until all the fighters have been selected.

The tension mounts

Here is the Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time first round draw:

Floyd Mayweather jr. vs. Donald Curry
Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Oscar De La Hoya
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott

I'll post the fights soon

[Syntax Error]

The weltwerweight division's greatest is all done & dusted: it's Sugar Ray Robinson; end of.

We should be looking to find out who is number 2.

[ICB]

The draw for Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time is done by all 2 fighters being chosen at random and then they go on to 'fight' each other fo a place in the next round, this is done until all the fighters have been selected.

The tension mounts

Here is the Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time first round draw:

Floyd Mayweather jr. vs. Donald Curry
Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Oscar De La Hoya
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott

I'll post the fights soon

Floyd Mayweather jr. vs. Donald Curry = Mayweather by UD.
Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Carlos Palomino = Robinson by TKO late.
Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Oscar De La Hoya = Leonard by UD.
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Armstrong by UD.
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = No idea really haven't seen enough of Gavilan.
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns by KO.
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Whitaker by lopsided UD.
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Not seen enough of Walcott.

[CutMeMick]

PBF vs. Donald Curry = PBF
SRR vs. Carlos Palomino = SRR
SRL vs. Oscar = Oscar
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Henry
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Pernell
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Napoles

[SweetPea]

PBF vs. Donald Curry = PBF
SRR vs. Carlos Palomino = SRR
SRL vs. Oscar = Oscar
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Henry
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Pernell
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Napoles

Mick, I know you're a big Oscar fan, but do you really think Oscar would have a chance against Ray Leonard? I can't think of one thing that Oscar does as well as Leonard. Ray was bigger, faster, stronger, etc.

I think a strong argument can be made that Leonard is the 2nd best welter ever. I'm not even sure that Oscar is top 15.

[CutMeMick]

PBF vs. Donald Curry = PBF
SRR vs. Carlos Palomino = SRR
SRL vs. Oscar = Oscar
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Henry
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Pernell
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Napoles

Mick, I know you're a big Oscar fan, but do you really think Oscar would have a chance against Ray Leonard? I can't think of one thing that Oscar does as well as Leonard. Ray was bigger, faster, stronger, etc.

I think a strong argument can be made that Leonard is the 2nd best welter ever. I'm not even sure that Oscar is top 15.

HUGE FAN....
I think Oscars talent expands thru the divisions he's been in with the exception of the Middleweight div.
Other then that I give him a damn! good chance against the best in every divisions he's fought in.
To say that he would beat SRL, IMO is nothing out of this world or something that's unimaginable.
Pernells harder to hit then SRL but Oscar was able to land and beat Pernell.
So why not SRL, I can't tell you how the fight would go but I think Oscar could pull it off.

[SweetPea]

PBF vs. Donald Curry = PBF
SRR vs. Carlos Palomino = SRR
SRL vs. Oscar = Oscar
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Henry
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Pernell
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Napoles

Mick, I know you're a big Oscar fan, but do you really think Oscar would have a chance against Ray Leonard? I can't think of one thing that Oscar does as well as Leonard. Ray was bigger, faster, stronger, etc.

I think a strong argument can be made that Leonard is the 2nd best welter ever. I'm not even sure that Oscar is top 15.

HUGE FAN....
I think Oscars talent expands thru the divisions he's been in with the exception of the Middleweight div.
Other then that I give him a damn! good chance against the best in every divisions he's fought in.
To say that he would beat SRL, IMO is nothing out of this world or something that's unimaginable.
Pernells harder to hit then SRL but Oscar was able to land and beat Pernell.
So why not SRL, I can't tell you how the fight would go but I think Oscar could pull it off.

I assumed this list was prime-vs.-prime. Oscar didn't fight a prime Pernell.

What elements of the sport do you think Oscar was better at than a prime Leonard at 147?

[cockey cockney]

The draw for Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time is done by all 2 fighters being chosen at random and then they go on to 'fight' each other fo a place in the next round, this is done until all the fighters have been selected.

The tension mounts

Here is the Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time first round draw:

Floyd Mayweather jr. vs. Donald Curry
Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Carlos Palomino
Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Oscar De La Hoya
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott

I'll post the fights soon

PBF
ROBINSON
LEONARD
ARMSTRONG
GAVILAN
HEARNS
PERNELL
NAPOLES

[cockey cockney]

PBF vs. Donald Curry = PBF
SRR vs. Carlos Palomino = SRR
SRL vs. Oscar = Oscar
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Henry
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Pernell
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Napoles

Mick, I know you're a big Oscar fan, but do you really think Oscar would have a chance against Ray Leonard? I can't think of one thing that Oscar does as well as Leonard. Ray was bigger, faster, stronger, etc.

I think a strong argument can be made that Leonard is the 2nd best welter ever. I'm not even sure that Oscar is top 15.

HUGE FAN....
I think Oscars talent expands thru the divisions he's been in with the exception of the Middleweight div.
Other then that I give him a damn! good chance against the best in every divisions he's fought in.
To say that he would beat SRL, IMO is nothing out of this world or something that's unimaginable.
Pernells harder to hit then SRL but Oscar was able to land and beat Pernell.
So why not SRL, I can't tell you how the fight would go but I think Oscar could pull it off.

i take your point mate....Pernell may of been harder to hit then Leonard but leonard offensively was clearly better and wouldnt be afraid to trade or box with ODLH....really dont see how Oscar (and i like him too) could win that one. Stylistically would be very very hard for him to overcome.

[THE THIRD MAN]

PBF V CURRY = PBF UD
SRR V PALOMINO = SRR UD
SRL V DLH = SRL SD
GRIFFITH V ARMSTRONG = ARMSTRONG UD
TRINIDAD V GAVILAN = TRINIDAD KO 6
HEARNS V BROWN = HEARNS KO 5
CUEVAS V WHITAKER = WHITAKER UD
NAPOLES V WALCOTT = NAPOLES KO 8

1000 POSTS! It's only taken me one week short of a year and 8 days of my life! Worth every minute!

[BubbleBox]

PBF vs. Donald Curry = PBF UD
SRR vs. Carlos Palomino = SRR TKO
SRL vs. Oscar = Oscar SD
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Henry TKO
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = Gavilan UD
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns TKO
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Pernell UD
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Napoles TKO

[The Rookie Fan]

We are already making picks? I thought this would be on individual threads like it was for the heavyweights.

Oh well I'll make mine later let me take a look at it again.

[ICB]

PBF vs. Donald Curry = PBF
SRR vs. Carlos Palomino = SRR
SRL vs. Oscar = Oscar
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Henry
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Pernell
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Napoles

Mick, I know you're a big Oscar fan, but do you really think Oscar would have a chance against Ray Leonard? I can't think of one thing that Oscar does as well as Leonard. Ray was bigger, faster, stronger, etc.

I think a strong argument can be made that Leonard is the 2nd best welter ever. I'm not even sure that Oscar is top 15.

HUGE FAN....
I think Oscars talent expands thru the divisions he's been in with the exception of the Middleweight div.
Other then that I give him a damn! good chance against the best in every divisions he's fought in.
To say that he would beat SRL, IMO is nothing out of this world or something that's unimaginable.
Pernells harder to hit then SRL but Oscar was able to land and beat Pernell.
So why not SRL, I can't tell you how the fight would go but I think Oscar could pull it off.

I assumed this list was prime-vs.-prime. Oscar didn't fight a prime Pernell.

What elements of the sport do you think Oscar was better at than a prime Leonard at 147?

I agree with Sweetpea no way on earth would ODLH beat a prime SRL. And using an old Whitaker to support an argument that ODLH could beat Leonard is not a good argument at all. First off Whitaker was way past his prime and had been fading since the Wilfredo Rivera fights, and even though it was an old shot Whitaker he still made ODLH look foolish all night and landed many jabs on ODLH. And IMO the fight was a draw, ODLH never faced anyone who had such good movement and great hand speed at Welterweight like Leonard had. What about Mosley vs ODLH 1 ?? Mosley beat ODLH to the punch all night and out boxed him clearly and won by about 4 rounds and that was in ODLH prime. Don't you think SRL could do the same and beat ODLH to the punch while out boxing him on the outside ??

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hmm....I have SRR as Greatest Welter of all time...However, would he be the GWOAT if;
Tommy Herans Clipped him on the chin?
Pernell Whittaker refused to engage and boxed negatively for 12?
Henry Armstrong caught him tiring after a big fight?
Sugar Ray Leonard stuck with him and was fresh at the end?

On any given day anything is possible in boxing, even SRR being beaten.