Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time, finalized list

[The Rookie Fan]

PBF vs. Donald Curry = PBF
SRR vs. Carlos Palomino = SRR
SRL vs. Oscar = Oscar
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong = Henry
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan = Gavilan
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown = Hearns
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker = Pernell
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott = Napoles

Mick, I know you're a big Oscar fan, but do you really think Oscar would have a chance against Ray Leonard? I can't think of one thing that Oscar does as well as Leonard. Ray was bigger, faster, stronger, etc.

I think a strong argument can be made that Leonard is the 2nd best welter ever. I'm not even sure that Oscar is top 15.

HUGE FAN....
I think Oscars talent expands thru the divisions he's been in with the exception of the Middleweight div.
Other then that I give him a damn! good chance against the best in every divisions he's fought in.
To say that he would beat SRL, IMO is nothing out of this world or something that's unimaginable.
Pernells harder to hit then SRL but Oscar was able to land and beat Pernell.
So why not SRL, I can't tell you how the fight would go but I think Oscar could pull it off.

I assumed this list was prime-vs.-prime. Oscar didn't fight a prime Pernell.

What elements of the sport do you think Oscar was better at than a prime Leonard at 147?

I agree with Sweetpea no way on earth would ODLH beat a prime SRL. And using an old Whitaker to support an argument that ODLH could beat Leonard is not a good argument at all. First off Whitaker was way past his prime and had been fading since the Wilfredo Rivera fights, and even though it was an old shot Whitaker he still made ODLH look foolish all night and landed many jabs on ODLH. And IMO the fight was a draw, ODLH never faced anyone who had such good movement and great hand speed at Welterweight like Leonard had. What about Mosley vs ODLH 1 ?? Mosley beat ODLH to the punch all night and out boxed him clearly and won by about 4 rounds and that was in ODLH prime. Don't you think SRL could do the same and beat ODLH to the punch while out boxing him on the outside ??

Although I agree with your argument that the Whitaker fight should not be an indicator that DLH would beat Leonard, especially when it was such a close fight and I feel Leonard was a better Welterweight than Whitaker was. I really don't see the need to make exagerated comments to proove your point.

Whitaker was not WAY passed his prime. He may not have been at his best but he was not as far from it as you imply and he was certanly not shot.

Whitaker had been fading since before ODLH fight, watch his fights against Wilfredo Rivera x2, Diosbelys Hurtado, he didn't look good in any of these fights and most people thought Whitaker was a shot fighter. Whitaker could not mount a good offensive attack on ODLH like the old Whitaker could, he was good on defense against ODLH but like i just said his offense was nothing like the old Whitaker. Its not exaggerated comment its the truth that Whitaker's skills were gradually declining he was dropped a combined 3 times in his last 3 fights prior to fighting ODLH fight. And if ODLH would of fought prime Whitaker i think Whitaker would of clearly out pointed ODLH by at least 4 rounds.

That last post ICE was a much better and more accurate description of the situation. The one before, especially the comments I highlighted, was an exageration.

But I agree, prime Whitaker would beat DLH and so would a prime Leonard.