Comparing Trinidad's losses

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Trinidad has 3 losses, to 3 fighters who were simply better than he was, and who are all Hall of Famers. Hopkins, Winky, and Jones were simply better than Tito, and they would have beaten him regardless of weight, time, place, etc.

The only difference in the losses is that against Hopkins and Roy (especially Hopkins), Tito showed tremendous heart and kept fighting despite being severely outgunned and outclassed.
Against Winky, Tito seemed to walk in expecting an early KO, and once that didn't happen, he just let himself get picked apart for 12 rounds.

I disagree 100% with this statement.

Ok, let's take it point by point:

Tito is one of the best fighters of our generation.

When did I ever say he wasn't?

It's funny how someone like Ricky Hatton can spend years and years at 140 then move up to 147 and lose and people complain that he was way to undersized for the weight,

Many people say this... I am not one of them. I've been saying for a long time that Hatton was overrated and not an elite fighter.

on the other side of the coin Tito can fight one short year at 154 move up to 160 and lose and no one claimed that he was undersized, BULLSHIT, Tito was undersized and fought a much bigger Hopkins in which resulted in his first defeat, he had no business being at that weight and fighting that fight, he should have stayed at 154 and dominated just like he was doing.

OK, so are you saying that Tito was actually a better boxer than Hopkins, and that it was simply a matter of size and strength? If Hopkins had been an inch or two shorter, six pounds lighter, and a natural 154 pounder, do you think Tito would have defeated him at 154? Because I don't.

He took three years off and came back and loss to Wright, that was not a prime Tito that was an inactive Tito who had one fight against Mayorga prior to the match up.

So do you think the prime Tito that KO'd Vargas could have defeated Winky? Because I don't.

Roy Jones has alway's and will alway's be bigger and stronger than Tito Trinidad whether both fighters were shot or no, but considering that Jones has been active and Tito has not been I think it's a double insult for you too compare the two fighters at all, why you are at it let's get a Cotto Vs Pavlik fight for you to break down

You forgot to mention that Jones was faster too.

When TIto was at his prime at 147/154, and Jones was in his prime at 160/168/175, who do you think was more dominant in their weight classes... Tito or Jones?

Sweet Pea

1. When did I ever say he wasn't? You don't have to blatantly say something " Like Trinidad is not a great boxer", people can get the feeling of what your saying in your post, and saying that size does not mean much simply is not true, and acting like Trinidad is not even close to a threat to these boxers talent wise is pure fiction.

2. Many people say this... I am not one of them. I've been saying for a long time that Hatton was overrated and not an elite fighter. I think you miss understanding the point here, I am not focusing on Ricky Hatton here I am focusing on fighters who move up in weight and lose and their fans claim that they were too small, well how come no one said that about Tito because it was totally true, and I still have not heard you say that Tito was undersized at 160 WHY?

3. OK, so are you saying that Tito was actually a better boxer than Hopkins, and that it was simply a matter of size and strength? If Hopkins had been an inch or two shorter, six pounds lighter, and a natural 154 pounder, do you think Tito would have defeated him at 154? Because I don't It's funny how in 40 plus fights people think that Tito has faced all brawlers who's mentality is to stand toe to toe with Tito and let him fight a blow for blow fight and Tito is victorious, BULLSHIT. In his run in which he fought 6 strait champions in 3 weight classes (De La Hoya, Reid, Thiam, Vargas, Joppy,Hopkins) only one decided to brawl with him and that was Thiam who decided to quit in the middle of a round. Fighters such as Reid, Vargas, and Joppy had awesome boxing skill in which they displayed in previous fights, it's just that they did not have the power to keep Tito off of them, he could walk threw their punches and impose his will with his power, against a much bigger Hopkins he could not walk threw his punches and his blows did not effect Hopkins the way they did to others in lighter weight classes, so too answer your question a smaller Hopkins (at least of similiar size), yes I think Tito could have beaten him

4. So do you think the prime Tito that KO'd Vargas could have defeated Winky? Because I don't It's funny that you ask something like that because a prime Tito that KO'd Vargas beat the man who defeated Winky Wright, I will send you a link to that fight, if Vargas could beat him Trinidad would have KO'd him

5. When TIto was at his prime at 147/154, and Jones was in his prime at 160/168/175, who do you think was more dominant in their weight classes... Tito or Jones? Considering Tito unified the belts at 147 and made 17 title defenses you could make an arguement for Tito

Wow , I'm amazed at how someone can type so much and have no idea about what the hell's going on

1. Trinidad is NOT a threat to the 3 boxers who embarrassed him (out of 36 rounds, he won, what, 4? I'd hardly call that a threat).

2. How is a fighter undersized for a weight WHEN HE CAN NO LONGER MAKE HIS ORIGINAL WEIGHT? A fighter being undersized would be, for example, someone like Roy Jones who has to wear THREE LAYERS OF CLOTHING just to make the minimum weight requirement as he did against Ruiz. I seriously doubt you complained about Trinidad being undersized when he beat Joppy

3. Reid, Vargas, and Joppy had 'awesome' boxing skill? Excuse me while I laugh my @ss off.

4. I guess you think Holyfield honestly earned that draw in the first Lennox fight too

5. When the biggest win of your career is one in which the majority of people don't even think you won, I'd hardly call that dominance, sorry

1. We just went over the whole size thing for about 4 post and I guess you did not read not a one of them so it's really no need for me to answer this idiotic question

2. Who told you Trinidad could not make 154, he was only there for a year before he moved up to 160, he was more than capable of making 154, your a idiot

3. Reid, Vargas, and Joppy were all champions and the NEXT BIG THING, what kind of skill would you descibe they had, man you know nothing about boxing. These three fighters were never the same after their fights with Tito. Tito's dominace over Joppy proves he is an over achiever not that he is or was a natural Middle Weight

4. What the hell does Holyfield Vs Lewis have to do with this debate, please go back to where you came from

5. Wow, a man holds a belt for six years and dominates his division and he has some boxing fan who knows very little about boxing come and say that " It's hardly dominance" I will never respond to one of your post again

OwnedbyShza, I think you're misinterpreting what was written.

First and foremost, both Trinidad and his father said that he could no longer make jr. middle, this is why he never even considered meeting Oscar for a rematch at 154, this is not hyperbole, this is a fact. Also, you keep getting upset as if people are saying Felix is garbage, not only are they not, but even reading between the lines, they're not, they're simply saying that he is no where near as skilled as his three conquerors, who by the way are all all-time greats so that shows no shame. Felix is also an all time great. As for Vargas, Reid, and Joppy, let's not get carried away, they were not champions, they were belt holders in waiting for the real 154 lb champion, Trinidad. It would be like someone saying Ruiz was champion when Roy beat him. He was a belt holder. As for his analogy on Holyfield-Lewis, he's alluding to bogus decisions, as most do not think Vargas earned the W. However no one can say Trinidad was not dominant and an all time great.