Heath Ledger found dead

[Pugilistic]

wow thats a shame to hear

[Andre]

CC Missy and the flirting is only continued when you show me your boobs

And you are correct depression can show itself in a number of ways and sometimes people don't show it at all but they are torn up on the inside and that is just really hard to believe that people are not able to share their feelings....I can understand sometimes with family you don't want to explain everything but there is support outside of that available

CC RP33

It wasn't during one of your political rants at them, was it?

Those guys had some issues more serious than my politics and honestly I would have done anything to try and help them in their times of need but not many people just come right out and tell you, one of my friends' suicide caught EVERYONE offguard...and to make matters worse he did it infront of two of my other friends almost taking one of them with him.




X acting is a very taxing job, not taxing in how my job or your job or any regular job is taxing but it takes a toll being someone else all day, it's emotionally draining and then if you're successful you're hounded by the fucking paparazzi. So Heath was wealthy and successful but have you ever heard "you can't buy happiness".....think it over big guy

Im just about to step in to the realm of unpopularity with some on this comment.

Because we belive we are what we think, instead of beliving or being brought up to belive that we are more than our thoughts; our emotions run off of our thought process instead of the reverse way around so you would have complete control over your brain and what it thinks.You use it as a tool instead of it using you as one.

At first,originally; you choose what you get to a large degree including the choice to allow yourself to become depressed.
I dont think many choose consiously to continue it on though, but its too late to return to normal,
because i belive the brain gets addicted to the cemicals its makes and the nuro links its forms very fast and sometimes falling into depression is naturally easier than the other options once your at that point and the links are already formed around the emotion.
Worse its a secret until it becomes natural and then its still disguised behind normal actions.
I also belive its on the increase because people are being robbed of natural joy through unnatural processess around us,many electrical, bombarding us externally so that we get caught up in it all and we learn it all fast, then we search for everything including happiness,joy,love outside of ourselves firstly, instead of it being the last step and only used for added enjoyment.
We live for the external love of others or something else of choice and when its taken away which it always is eventually ,you only have yourself left standing in what i think is a divine space,others think of it as a hole and fall right in. Im yet to experience the absolute worse of it all personally, but Im in no fairy land type dream that its never going to happen.

[El Kabong]

....well Andre I can understand your views since you have "yet to experience the absolute worse of it all personally" it seems to the people who haven't experienced it that depression is "feeling sorry for yourself"....for the most part it's passed down genetically but some people just aren't able to deal with the troubles they have had in their lives be it one BIG issue or lots of lingering little issues.

It can begin by getting stuck in a rut with your life but if you have bad coping skills you can go downhill fast and for seemingly no reason.

[Trainer Monkey]

Sorry Lyle,my mom had a nervous breakdown when I was 8 and tried to set the pair of us on fire. She's so unhinged that when I tried to let my kid talk to her on the phone unsupervised the other day he ended up in tears
A pretty boy actor who cant sleep because starring in a major picture "disturbed him" does not exactly pull at my heart strings

[Andre]

....well Andre I can understand your views since you have "yet to experience the absolute worse of it all personally" it seems to the people who haven't experienced it that depression is "feeling sorry for yourself"....for the most part it's passed down genetically but some people just aren't able to deal with the troubles they have had in their lives be it one BIG issue or lots of lingering little issues.

It can begin by getting stuck in a rut with your life but if you have bad coping skills you can go downhill fast and for seemingly no reason.

I have experienced depression to a large degree built up over years and then cummilating over a few days of spiralling down and down with no way up.

To be honest ,am Im not proud ,I havnet only just stared down the barrel of a gun held by someone else.

But what I ment by havent experienced it fully;
I meant that I know its inevitable that I'm going to loose every single thing that I love or like or the situation I'm in that I want to remain exactly as is but wont.
All things external of me I will loose, including all the people, I havent done so as yet and I wonder how I will go, depending on if it comes to pass in my passing or theirs.

Even with my views and belifes and ways out of getting trapped by thought, I still wonder how I will go facing it physically if it comes that way around.

[El Kabong]

Sorry Lyle,my mom had a nervous breakdown when I was 8 and tried to set the pair of us on fire. She's so unhinged that when I tried to let my kid talk to her on the phone unsupervised the other day he ended up in tears
A pretty boy actor who cant sleep because starring in a major picture "disturbed him" does not exactly pull at my heart strings

....I was talking about depression in general not just what Heath Ledger went through and hell saying he was depressed is a stretch as we don't know his mental state before this accidental OD we just know he had trouble sleeping. And no one on this forum is taking this death as a personal loss at least I hope they wouldn't take it personally as I doubt Heath was a good close friend or family to anyone here.

What do you mean "facing it physically" Andre?

[Trainer Monkey]

Sorry Lyle,my mom had a nervous breakdown when I was 8 and tried to set the pair of us on fire. She's so unhinged that when I tried to let my kid talk to her on the phone unsupervised the other day he ended up in tears
A pretty boy actor who cant sleep because starring in a major picture "disturbed him" does not exactly pull at my heart strings

....I was talking about depression in general not just what Heath Ledger went through and hell saying he was depressed is a stretch as we don't know his mental state before this accidental OD we just know he had trouble sleeping. And no one on this forum is taking this death as a personal loss at least I hope they wouldn't take it personally as I doubt Heath was a good close friend or family to anyone here.

What do you mean "facing it physically" Andre?

The reports all say he was "disturbed by playing a character with absolutely no empathy" and thats when his sleeping issues started
Occaisionally I do feel bad about a celebrity death,not this one
Brandon Lee was such a ridiculous accident
Kurt Cobain,guy had a weird stomach ailment nobody could diagnose,not to mention living with Courtney Love
Hunter S Thompson broke my heart,but I understood his logic,he'd done all he'd wanted to,and his body was breaking down
I feel bad for his family,but most of us just pop a melatonin,drink a beer and get on with it.Lets face itif the guy was swinging a mid town Manhatten apartment,he could have gone in to Betty Ford for a month.
He could have probably had the Chevy Chase wing cordoned off just for him

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I still just think he popped one too many pills. Very easy to do, it's not like a-listers have a hard time getting medication.

[El Kabong]

I still just think he popped one too many pills. Very easy to do, it's not like a-listers have a hard time getting medication.

Yeah and plus sleeping pills plus pneumonia might be a bad thing.

Kurt Cobaine had obvious mental issues and was a habitual drug user.....aside from his stomach disorder


Sid Vicious was a sad case....he more than likely murdered his girlfriend Nancy but after he got out on bail his MOM bought heroin for him and since his lock up he had lost his tolerance and shot up and it killed him......his mom later offed herself.

[Trainer Monkey]

I still just think he popped one too many pills. Very easy to do, it's not like a-listers have a hard time getting medication.

Yeah and plus sleeping pills plus pneumonia might be a bad thing.

Kurt Cobaine had obvious mental issues and was a habitual drug user.....aside from his stomach disorder


Sid Vicious was a sad case....he more than likely murdered his girlfriend Nancy but after he got out on bail his MOM bought heroin for him and since his lock up he had lost his tolerance and shot up and it killed him......his mom later offed herself.

The odds that Sid actually did it,are slim and nill
And slim's on the bus
I dont really like or respect Sid,in all honesty,how many well meaning punk kids have snuffed it emulating him?
But I really doubt he did it
Malcolm was looking at the murder as a potential marketing angle,suddenly his property was hot again

[Andre]

Sorry Lyle,my mom had a nervous breakdown when I was 8 and tried to set the pair of us on fire. She's so unhinged that when I tried to let my kid talk to her on the phone unsupervised the other day he ended up in tears
A pretty boy actor who cant sleep because starring in a major picture "disturbed him" does not exactly pull at my heart strings

....I was talking about depression in general not just what Heath Ledger went through and hell saying he was depressed is a stretch as we don't know his mental state before this accidental OD we just know he had trouble sleeping. And no one on this forum is taking this death as a personal loss at least I hope they wouldn't take it personally as I doubt Heath was a good close friend or family to anyone here.

What do you mean "facing it physically" Andre?

Ahh probably the unavoidable loss of family members would be the most depressing thing I could imagine specially if one of my kids went before me.Could loose the home, income you know, it could be hard to stay with positive belifes when you get hit with a physical reality.

[Von Milash]

I don't know the details of this case....

But generally speaking, you don't just pop 1 too many. Things like that can happen, but in that case there would be other complications, like drug-drug interactions. When they do tox studies, they do them on very large doses. So with many drugs, you can take far more than what they say is safe. (I was in drug discovery chemistry for 8+ years). But again, there could have been things to complicate matters in which case, an otherwise safe dose could have proven fatal.

Also, I battled depression for years. A mild case where I was just pissed off a lot. It can be genetic or (and in my case) triggered. My dad died 15 years ago and then stress of school, grad school, job, more grad school, hating my job and not being able to find a new one.... etc. If I wasn't on meds I'd just be pissed off all the time because of life's shitballs. With that said, all the stress and triggers CAN actually lead to low seratonin levels, at which point event-triggered depression can become a chemical imbalance.

This is the kind of shit I did for a living. I actually worked on several seratonin projects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

[Andre]

I don't know the details of this case....

But generally speaking, you don't just pop 1 too many. Things like that can happen, but in that case there would be other complications, like drug-drug interactions. When they do tox studies, they do them on very large doses. So with many drugs, you can take far more than what they say is safe. (I was in drug discovery chemistry for 8+ years). But again, there could have been things to complicate matters in which case, an otherwise safe dose could have proven fatal.

Also, I battled depression for years. A mild case where I was just pissed off a lot. It can be genetic or (and in my case) triggered. My dad died 15 years ago and then stress of school, grad school, job, more grad school, hating my job and not being able to find a new one.... etc. If I wasn't on meds I'd just be pissed off all the time because of life's shitballs. With that said, all the stress and triggers CAN actually lead to low seratonin levels, at which point event-triggered depression can become a chemical imbalance.

This is the kind of shit I did for a living. I actually worked on several seratonin projects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

Wow,tough time, so are u all cool now bro?

[Von Milash]

oh yeah. But even I notice a difference when I'm of Zoloft for a couple days.

Take this morning for example. I'm looking for clienst for my new business. Then I find out that pretty much all of my "warm market" are already with the investment firm I represent. Then my mother tells me she's leaving her money in TD.

When you can't get your mother to give you some investments -- to throw you a fucking bone-- well, great way to start.

[LEGION]

That's horrible news, I liked Heath alot. One of my favorite movies is The Four Feathers; and he was great in that. R.I.P.