Quote Originally Posted by Greig
Quote Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Quote Originally Posted by Greig
Roy Jones may be one of the greatest cons in the history of boxing.

He wasted his prime fighting guys who simply were not on his level. His greatest wins are against Hopkins, James Toney and John Ruiz.

Hopkins is a great win - but Hopkins hadn't hit his peak then and would have been a much tougher fight about five years later. Toney was fucked from making weight. And John Ruiz is John Ruiz.

He should have spent the years from 1993-2000 fighting the elite of the Brits and Europeans, rematching Hopkins and showing us how great he really was.

And now the guys is just smoke and mirrors. He makes some punk excuse for why he lost to Tarver in the third fight (I didn't want my daddy to get the credit if I had won!?!?!)


He is a shot fighter choosing all the right opponents - Prince Badi, Hanshaw and a blown up Tito, while calling out Calzaghe.

The minute he steps up in class he's getting sparked again.

Roy Jones was a sensational fighter, but he wasted his prime and I'm sick of his bullshit and showboating. The sooner someone starches him again and retires his a** for good the happier I'll be.
See i don't understand when people say Hopkins was green, but forget the fact Jones had even less fights. They also forget Toney was top 3 P4P fighter at that time. And they also forget the other quality opponents Jones beat like.

Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Reggie Johnson
Eric Harding
Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Vinny Pazienza
Thulani Malinga

Eubank would have never have fought Jones in USA and he even admitted he didn't want to fight Jones because he knew he would lose. Benn was going to fight Jones but he lost to Malinga, Calzaghe wasn't even champion yet. So who are all these Europeans Jones could have fought ??

All good fighters, but none of them great fighters. With the possible exception of Hill, but he was just a very good straight ahead boxer who lacked the necessary firepower IMO.

Didn't say Hopkins was 'green', but he certainly hadn't peaked yet. He got better as he got older and probably peaked at 36 with the demolition of a peak Trinidad.

Yes, Toney was highly thought of, but he certainly wasn't at his best when he fought RJJ - even the most ardent Jones fan will tell you that.

Calzaghe was champ from '97. I did say between '93 and 2000.

So Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Nigel Benn and Steve Collins were the Europeans that I was referring too.



Lets look at it another way - take a look at all the marquee fighters on Oscar DeLaHoya's resume.

Then compare them to the two on Roy's (B-Hop and Toney).


The sad thing is that, at his peak, Roy was such a better fighter that Oscar - he had all the natural gifts you could want. But I'll always think more fondly of Oscar because he FOUGHT EVERYBODY HE SHOULD HAVE, even if he lost. He's a pretty boy, but for a pretty boy he has one big pair of balls.

Roy on the other hand wasted his prime fighting Glen Kellys because he HAD NO BALLS in spite of all the marvelous physical gifts he had.
Not trying to single you out, Greig, this is more for anyone who is dismissive of the Toney fight. It wasn't Roy's fault Toney was weight-drained and he certainly didn't know it when the fight was signed. If Jones had fought any one of those Euro fighters and we found out later they had had trouble making weight then the same dismissal would be brought up. The fact of it is Jones was open to a rematch with Hopkins after he beat Trinidad, but because he was the 175lb champ and had won the first bout he felt Hopkins had to move up rather than him moving down. Hopkins had been babysitting the MW belt for years and he obviously was a natural fit for weight. After Tito there aren't any big name wins on his record (Hopkins is a far worse perpetrator of fighting substandard opponents) and he was probably posturing without any intent on fighting Jones a second time.

Lastly, making a fight is a two-way street. You'll find just as many people who will criticize Calzaghe and other fighters for not making a fight with Jones happen as you'll find critics of Jones. Realize the situation for what it was: Jones was so good it didn't matter how good an opponent you put in front of him. Griffin was no slouch and yet in his first loss he was thoroughly dismantled in a single round.