Tough Guys and Gentlemen! (racist Toney) - by Michael Montero

[Kev]

And if the shoe was on the other foot and a fighter of another race were to say these things about black athletes, "just to get attention" would it be O.K.?

F*** no........there would be race riots and law suits and more sharpton and jackson than you could shake a stick at!!!

This asshole is creating color lines in boxing. He's causing everyone who reads these boxing presses to look at boxing in black and white. That's really a shame because thats not what it's supposed to be about!

The bottom line is the guy just doesn't like white males....I've said this a thousand times before on this forum and the evidence keeps rolling in.
He keeps saying S*** like this abandoning all of his caucasian fans who bought tickets and videos and spent their time watching his fights and "talking it up about him to their friends."

The largest of betrayals, can't wait til someone retires his fat a**.

It's different for a white man to speak down about blacks because of the history of white oppression over blacks. Even though blacks are now seen as equal in terms of the law ( in theory) they are still greatly disadvantaged over white society in all parts of the world.

It's a similar situation to a woman being allowed to say things and even hit a man and it's acceptable whereas a man hits a woman and he better watch out.

So from that perspective it's clearly less acceptable for a white to make racist comments than a black, not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

Still I don't see the big deal. It takes all different kinds of characters to make boxing interesting and the boxing world would be worse off without him.

That is the craziest thing that I have ever heard!!


So essentially you're saying that the way we correct inequality and racism in the past is with more inequality and racism?

So your basically advocating more inequality by saying that blacks have a right to treat whites differently becasue of slavery hundreds of years ago??
In other words you suggesting that two wrongs make a right.

This backward thinking is what started slavery in the first place!!!!

Glad to see that we are making progress

Why are you getting so worked up about this? Do you actually know what true racism is? Real racism is the subjugation and oppression of or discrimination against one ethnic group by another. As white's have historically subjugated blacks for the past 500 or so years then REAL racism was carried out at the hands of white men.

Consider the facts, enforced slavery, branding of their slaves and the slave becoming a piece of property rather than an individual. The complete taking away of human rights. Moving on to the present, even within the life times of many on this board, official, government authorised racism was practised in many areas of the world. Blacks even into the 1960's were segregated as they were in South Africa before Nelson Mandela.

It's not just blacks as well, the Jews have historically been a targeted race and the holocaust was an example of racism and genocide at it's very very worst.

Around the world their continues to exist real racism to this day.

To class James Toney saying a white man will not be heavyweight champion as being racism along the lines of the above is just absurd. It IS different for a black man to make comments about a white man rather than vice versa for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.

African Americans are not in a position to subjugate white Americans. The American economy, judicary, schools system, government, armed forces etc are all white led institutions.

James Toney saying white men don't have what it takes to be a heavyweight champion is as racist as someone saying Joe Calzaghe comes from a land of sheep shaggers.

If you think the latter is true racism rather than tongue in cheek banter against another nation than I feel sorry for you.

Real racism does exist and makes millions of people's lives a misery. I don't think it should be trivialised by bringing race into every argument.

All Toney said is no white will be heavyweight champ, Well guess what no black will ever be US President. OOhhh big racist I am..