Has there ever been?

[SalTheButcher]

theres also a claim that if you watch the film his wife leaves in like the 9th round which indicates to johnson that she recieved the payoff

Why wouldn't she just stay with the payoff and finish watching the fight.

cuz her leaving was supposed to be the signal to him that she got paid and he could take the dive

[TheBESTP4P]

theres also a claim that if you watch the film his wife leaves in like the 9th round which indicates to johnson that she recieved the payoff

Why wouldn't she just stay with the payoff and finish watching the fight.

cuz her leaving was supposed to be the signal to him that she got paid and he could take the dive

yes sir sal i do concurr, i too have heard that rumor.

[Bomp]

theres also a claim that if you watch the film his wife leaves in like the 9th round which indicates to johnson that she recieved the payoff

Why wouldn't she just stay with the payoff and finish watching the fight.

cuz her leaving was supposed to be the signal to him that she got paid and he could take the dive

If she left in the ninth, why the hell did he stay up til the twentieth?
I think Johnson was well past his prime by this fight, he would have battered Willard 5 years earlier. IMO he was knackered after a long fight on a hot day against a guy he couldn't impose his strengh on, and fell over of exhaustion more than being knocked from his senses.

On the subject of the post, I think Joe Calzaghe said it best when he said that fighters aren't robots and they are inevitably going to have off nights, or maybe lose focus for just a second in one fight. Many fighters come close, psobably the closest are ricardo lopez (though I've only seen his record) and Roy Jones, who would have fit the criteria except for one tiny lack of focus against griffin, and if he'd retired after ruiz

[SalTheButcher]

theres also a claim that if you watch the film his wife leaves in like the 9th round which indicates to johnson that she recieved the payoff

Why wouldn't she just stay with the payoff and finish watching the fight.

cuz her leaving was supposed to be the signal to him that she got paid and he could take the dive

If she left in the ninth, why the hell did he stay up til the twentieth?

i dont know what round she left, i dont remember, it was just an example, im not saying its true tho, just adding what ive heard he himself claimed

[mokele]

I looked at most of the responses here and I couldn't find any mention of Joe Louis, a man who dominated heavyweight boxing for many years and who successfully defended his title 25 times. He did have a couple of close shaves during that time, split decision wins over Arturo Godoy and Jersey Joe Walcott and a late knockout behind on points against Billy Conn, but otherwise he pretty much destroyed his opposition. I would call that serious dominance!

Larry Holmes dominated the heavyweight division for around 7 years and also mostly won decisively with only a few close shaves, a split decision win over Tim Witherspoon, a close call with Earnie Shavers and a close fight with Carl "the truth" Williams. He came within 1 fight of tying Marciano's record of 49 straight victories as a heavyweight, losing his 49th fight with Michael Spinks in 1985.

[Kev]

I looked at most of the responses here and I couldn't find any mention of Joe Louis, a man who dominated heavyweight boxing for many years and who successfully defended his title 25 times. He did have a couple of close shaves during that time, split decision wins over Arturo Godoy and Jersey Joe Walcott and a late knockout behind on points against Billy Conn, but otherwise he pretty much destroyed his opposition. I would call that serious dominance!

Larry Holmes dominated the heavyweight division for around 7 years and also mostly won decisively with only a few close shaves, a split decision win over Tim Witherspoon, a close call with Earnie Shavers and a close fight with Carl "the truth" Williams. He came within 1 fight of tying Marciano's record of 49 straight victories as a heavyweight, losing his 49th fight with Michael Spinks in 1985.

Yeah just a shame Max Schmeling knocked his a** out before he became world champ

Not to mention getting dropped by the 40's version of Butterbean Two Ton Galento, winning a gift decision over Joe Woolcott after getting dropped twice amongst others.

I actually think Louis is overrated.


And almost losing to Billy Conn is actually pretty woeful considering he outweighed by him by more than 30 pounds. Conn wasn't even a heavyweight.

Loius would have been comfortably beaten by some of the true greats Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Liston etc

[raleights]

Ali said it best, he was flat footed. The list of people would of beaten Louis is probably a big one...

[X]

There was a Cuban Heavyweight who fought inthe Olympics, I'm not sure anyone comes close to dominance, too bad he never turned pro, but he didn't want to fight Ali

That was Teofilio Stevenson- great great great fighter, Would have happily fought Ali but is a loyal Cuban and quite the communist (ended up as Cuban Minister for Sport). He's have given prime Ali a run for his money IMO.

Also, in apart answer to the question - Ray Robinson had something like 200 amateur fights, only losing three, and then went straight into a 140 fight winning streak as pro. Seems pretty dominant in a tough era?

[Unknowndonor]

I go with Mokele, and say Larry Holmes. I've started threads about Holmes before, and how he was not recognized as he should be. But, Larry reigned supreme for a long time. And he lost to Spinks barely, but he won the rematch and was robbed.

Ricardo Lopez gets a nod too. You have to give Marciano a nod also, I mean, he did retire undefeated.