Quote Originally Posted by Britkid
Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan
The length of time at "World Class" status (in your opinion, I might add), does nothing to disprove my point. By your own admission, Chavez was brought along differently than a lot of fighters nowadays. He plodded along, destroying totally inferior opposition for years, before getting quality opposition or even leaving the comforts of home in Mexico. By contrast, Tito, as with many world class fighters nowadays, was brought along much quicker. You're comparing apples and oranges if you go solely by record. Put Chavez in today's environment and throw him against a world champion 20 fights into his career, and see how he would have survived.

Even after Chavez began fighting quality fighters, he always managed to sprinkle in a few "Bozos" every now and then. After a while, his quest to reach 100 wins became more important than the quality of fighters he was using to get there.

Don't get me wrong, I also feel Chavez is an all-time great. It's just that there's NO WAY he's 15th all-time to Trinidad's 49th. And Gomez at 63rd with one of the best alltime KO ratios in history?!? What are you smoking there, Britkid? Because he lost two fights? And Zarate, whom Gomez destroyed, is 25th? See, that's why I can't take your list seriously. Don't get me wrong, you've got some good fighters in there. Robinson's, Duran's, Monzon's, Arguello's and Hagler's rankings are well-deserved. But De la Hoya 22nd? Give me a frigging break!

Subjective, Britkid........ that's what it is. Subjective.
Chavez won a fight with Mario Martinez, four years after turning pro, hardly an age. Trinidad beat Blocker three years after turning pro, there is hardly any difference, the only real difference is Chavez was a lot more active. (Yes...... he also fought a lot more bums or mediocre fighters. What's your point?)
The same applied after Chavez beat Martinez, Chavez continued to fight at a pace of sometimes a fight every two months, while Trinidad fought at a pace more suited to this era, a fight every four months. (Exactly, more suited to this era. Constantly fighting high-caliber opponents, the way the public demands it nowadays, WOULD tend to slow your pace down just a tad. I agree.)

Ultimately there is no right or wrong way of becoming an excellent fighter, if you succeed. And both Chavez and Trinidad succeeded, it was just Chavez then stepped up a couple more levels and became a Great, while Trinidad merely became an all-time top 100 fighter. (You forgot to add: "in my opinion". Again, a totally subjective last sentence and one based solely on opinion. Hardly one that merits ranking Trinidad so far below Chavez).
Again, you have many facts.... but in the end your opinions are subjective, just like mine and everyone else's. Let's not limit it to Tito and Chavez. You have Ali 11th, below the likes of Archie Moore and Charley Burley. I don't think Ali should be number 1, but 11th is a little farther down than he deserves. Also, like I said before... DLH 22nd? No way in hell. I may just come up with my own list one of these days.