I'm not quite done with this subject, Britkid. Again, you obviously know a great deal about boxing history. But there's more to knowing about boxing than just being able to spew dates and names.

Back to your "all-time" list. Let's take Ali again, for instance. In an earlier post, you list among your deciding factors (on how to rate a boxer all time): Quality of opposition, Length of World Class Career, Originality and pioneering qualities, etc., etc.

And yet, you list Ali 11th alltime, under the likes of Sammy Langford, Georges Carpentier, Charley Burley. Why? I'm not the greatest (no pun intended) of Ali's fans. I don't even think he should be number one on the list. But he CERTAINLY rates higher than 11th. Especially given the names above him on your list.

About your factors again. You name: "Impact on society" (another of Ali's strengths over some of your other names above him). Tell me, WHOSE society? Just as Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano had deep impacts on U.S. boxing fans back in their day, boxers such as Chavez, Arguello, and Trinidad have had on their respective cultures. You, being British, can speak for impacts on British society. But are by no means an authority on any fighter's impact on other societies.

What changes would I make on your list? Many. But to mention a few:

1. Ali deserves better than 11th.
2. De la Hoya should be lower than 22nd.
3. Carlos Zarate CANNOT be ranked above Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez, the fighter who destroyed him at his peak in a mega-fight between two great fighters.

Maybe in YOUR circles, fighters like Pancho Villa, Stanley Ketchel and Harry Grebb are household names. On THIS side of the world, the average boxing fan might mistake Pancho Villa for Don Quijote's (Spanish spelling) sidekick.

It's a well-known fact (again, on THIS side of the world) that Puerto Rico and Mexico are hotbeds for producing great boxing champions. I'm sorry, but any list that includes Don Quijote's sidekick and omits fighters like Trinidad, Gomez and Benitez is totally one-sided and woefully subjective.