Joe Louis: America's Hero Betrayed

[Trainer Monkey]

Considering Ali,and his friend Richard Pryor were calling for Joe to be pardoned in the late 70's
I dont see the under the bus part

[El Kabong]

Considering Ali,and his friend Richard Pryor were calling for Joe to be pardoned in the late 70's
I dont see the under the bus part

Well Ali called him an Uncle Tom....well more "an Uncle Tom for the white man".

That controversial part of how Ali truly felt about Joe Louis makes it harder for me to respect him....I respect him (not a HUGE fan but I respect him) it just makes it hard to.

Joe Louis broke down barriers in a different way than Ali tried to and it seems to go unnoticed in this day and time as well as in the 60's.

[Trainer Monkey]

Well Ali called him an Uncle Tom....well more "an Uncle Tom for the white man".

That controversial part of how Ali truly felt about Joe Louis makes it harder for me to respect him....I respect him (not a HUGE fan but I respect him) it just makes it hard to.

Joe Louis broke down barriers in a different way than Ali tried to and it seems to go unnoticed in this day and time as well as in the 60's.

Ali once whispered in his ear,when his time was nearing,"You,realy are the greatest"

[El Kabong]

Ali once whispered in his ear,when his time was nearing,"You,realy are the greatest"

I have heard things like that but I don't buy it because there was part of him that despised what Louis stood for when he should have been proud of what Louis did. I am not saying Ali should have adopted the same ways and manners of Louis but don't call him an Uncle Tom...it's not right to call a hero like Joe Louis an Uncle Tom and he should have known better.

I didn't like what the track athletes did in Mexico City in 1968 either...they said Jesse Owens was an Uncle Tom too, he was also a hero and deserving of respect.

Those things upset me....there was no need to bring down the old heroes, just disagree and don't say they never stood for anything, because Joe Louis and Jesse Owens stood for alot!

[Trainer Monkey]

I have heard things like that but I don't buy it because there was part of him that despised what Louis stood for when he should have been proud of what Louis did. I am not saying Ali should have adopted the same ways and manners of Louis but don't call him an Uncle Tom...it's not right to call a hero like Joe Louis an Uncle Tom and he should have known better.

I didn't like what the track athletes did in Mexico City in 1968 either...they said Jesse Owens was an Uncle Tom too, he was also a hero and deserving of respect.

Those things upset me....there was no need to bring down the old heroes, just disagree and don't say they never stood for anything, because Joe Louis and Jesse Owens stood for alot!

They said nothing of the sort,they were both wearing opposite gloves to show a unified front,and if they both wore them it would be a left and a right all sides unified
Where do you get this crap from man?
Dude honestly,get off the right wing sites,even ESPN debunked that last night
Here I'll spell it out for you RUSH LIMBAUGH LIES

[El Kabong]

"He came under fire in 1968 for opposing a black American boycott of the Olympics, and for a time was derided as an "Uncle Tom" and a toady to white people. The charges stung Owens. He attempted to defend himself in a 1970 biography, Blackthink, but two years later he became more militant and published another book, I Have Changed."

- Jesse Owens: Biography and Much More from Answers.com


I don't make that stuff up or just throw it around without consideration. It's a FACT, he opposed a boycott of the '68 games and the Black Power spectacle at the games and was called names for it.

I do TRY to get my facts correct and Rush Limbaugh has fuck all to do with this

[Trainer Monkey]

"He came under fire in 1968 for opposing a black American boycott of the Olympics, and for a time was derided as an "Uncle Tom" and a toady to white people. The charges stung Owens. He attempted to defend himself in a 1970 biography, Blackthink, but two years later he became more militant and published another book, I Have Changed."

- Jesse Owens: Biography and Much More from Answers.com


I don't make that stuff up or just throw it around without consideration. It's a FACT, he opposed a boycott of the '68 games and the Black Power spectacle at the games and was called names for it.

I do TRY to get my facts correct and Rush Limbaugh has fuck all to do with this

So it was the two black Olympians who were on the pedestal that were also boycotting the Olympics at that particular Olympics
You got your names wrong,because it was the black power salute that caused all the fuss to this day
And it wasnt even supposed to be a black power salute

[The Boxer]

I normaly don't agree with lyle to much he's right on this one.

anybody who like the joe louis documentry should check out the Jack Jonhson documentry. i think somebody has it on the file sharing board.

[WelshDevilRob]

I normaly don't agree with lyle to much he's right on this one.

anybody who like the joe louis documentry should check out the Jack Jonhson documentry. i think somebody has it on the file sharing board.

Great call.
Currenly halfway throught the Jack Johnson documentary. Fascinating insight.