Just rewatched Pacquaio-JMM 1

[Addicted to_boxing]

First off, as I've always said, Marquez won that one. But if you think a guy having been knocked down thrice in the first, make adjustments and can win nearly all round afterwards just like that? - that won't happen and I doubt that ever happened. The secret is that pac injured his feet after his intense exersion on the first. We've seen his badly sored and swollen feet right after the fight there at the ringside (I mean on the tube). Of course you won't take my word for it. I've been always scoffed off for this here but I'm smiling 'cause this will be proven in couple of weeks. Just watch round two, pac stopped fighting and Marquez wasn't even countering. Anyone who knows pac knows that once pac sees blood, he won't stop until his prey is down and out - it's always been like that, no exception. Pac gave Marquez entire second round to recover. Just think about it, a guy who knocked his opponent down thrice in one round can't even land one clean power shot after that? No way, especially if you consider that pac is a pretty fast fighter too. He can't land his shot and just got countered 'cause he couldn't move fast enough. Simple as that.

All right anti-pacs, don't be rattled. This whole issue would be settled soon enough, so let's just wait. I think pac can KO marquez anytime he choses to, even in first couple of rounds. You know in most big fights, pac has a self-designated round to try finishing off his foe. In Morales II, it was round 6. In Morales III, it was Erik trying to finish pac off early so pac had no choice but fight back agressively early regardless of what his plans might have been. On Barrera II, it was round 11 - pac got agressive and stunned Barrera and Marco had to resort to dirty tactics to thwart pac's momentum, and he succeeded. I'm not even worried about pac been outboxed. Pac can outbox Marquez, period. He's got quicker feet to do just that. My only concern is pac getting careless and getting knocked down or out. One of the most under-rated aspect of Marquez' boxing is his power. Believe me he is one of the best p4p punchers today, together with pac, de Leon and few others. I think if pac is careful with those punches, there should be no problems...

Cheap socks, mysteriously hurt feet, Jesus Christ you sound so pathetic!!! At least they are related to the feet. You must be A) Pac's personal Jester B) Excuse generator C) Podiatrist D) All of the Above

[pacfan]

Cheap socks, mysteriously hurt feet, Jesus Christ you sound so pathetic!!! At least they are related to the feet. You must be A) Pac's personal Jester B) Excuse generator C) Podiatrist D) All of the Above

Relax pal, we'll see who the real fool is in couple of weeks. But be very careful, I'm really good at analyzing boxing and I hardly go wrong.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Relax pal, we'll see who the real fool is in couple of weeks. But be very careful, I'm really good at analyzing boxing and I hardly go wrong.

What you say has not merit as to what happens in the ring. In two weeks I will not be foolish waiting 4 years for a man to age is great strategy on PAC teams behalf. JMM is really good but many PAC fans have already mention how slow and flt footed JMM has looked recently. So Kudos to the Geriatric Assassin. Bring on Soto, Juan Diaz and Guman and lower the age requirements. Pac should win this fight, I just anxious to see if JMM can muster up one last effort. More interested in A Pac vs Baby Bull match or a sibling revenge fight with Soto. Not a circus match against a UK midget with little over rated skills.

[brucelee]

What you say has not merit as to what happens in the ring. In two weeks I will not be foolish waiting 4 years for a man to age is great strategy on PAC teams behalf. JMM is really good but many PAC fans have already mention how slow and flt footed JMM has looked recently. So Kudos to the Geriatric Assassin. Bring on Soto, Juan Diaz and Guman and lower the age requirements. Pac should win this fight, I just anxious to see if JMM can muster up one last effort. More interested in A Pac vs Baby Bull match or a sibling revenge fight with Soto. Not a circus match against a UK midget with little over rated skills.

I just can't help but comment on your post addicted to_boxing.

First, Pacquaio's team did not wait for JMM to age. It was JMM who did not accept the rematch after their first fight.JMM opted for Chris John so PAcquaio had to look for more worthy opponents(in terms of financial reward and prestige).Nor has JMM shown any interest of fighting Pacquaio again not until recently. When JMM challenged Pacquaio, it was immediately accepted by Pacquaio after JMM conceded to accept the terms of PAcquaio which was actually very reasonable (hope you know what it was coz it was as if you know everything in boxing, though in truth you had no idea of what you were talking).

You were talking of Soto and Guzman as better opponents for Pacquaio................. are you serious? They are good boxers, no doubt about it, but JMM is still the best opponent PAcquaio could have for now.

No doubt Juan Diaz is also a good choice for Pacquaio but the boxing world's clamor was for PAcquaio to fight JMM first. Can you blame Pacquaio or his team for being gracious about it?

Second, who are you calling a UK midget with little overrated skills? Hatton's first defeat was from the P4P #1. Does that defeat make him overrated? Tell that to all the respected members in this forum and they will tell you that you lack some boxing knowledge despite of your being addicted to it.....

Peace man.

[El Gamo]

JMM won the first fight for me,he adjusted beautifully. It was close though. However,had JMM been slightly awake during the first round and not been knocked down,that would have been an easy W. Take away the first and maybe the second,and JMM looked awesome. There were a few(very few) other close rounds too.

For the rematch, JMM has shwon his age in his last few fights,not in terms of his skill,but his body. His face cuts like heck,even after a few punches and NONE of those guys he has faced hit anywhere remotely as hard as Manny. JMM has never been able to get out of the way of the straight left,you can see that in his fight with Terdsak(I think). Manny has added more to his arsenal so I just feel he has enough to win.

This fight will show us other things though:Can Manny bring the old fire back? Sure,there's nothing wrong with using more head movement and blocking more but the fire that got him to where he is has been missing for the last year. He needs that because if he thinks he's going to outbox JMM,he's wrong.

I have Manny UD but I want JMM to win this one so badly.

[The Fightfan]

Also you have to take into affect.They have moved up in weight since their last battle,and ask yourself who has looked better.Defenitely Marquez from what I've seen.Sure PAc-man stopped an old Morales and did have a iffy showing against Solis and lastly an ok performance against Barrera.Now look at Marquez against Barrera one of his best performances and again with Juarez.How many times have we seen when little fighters move up in weight they leave that power at the lower weight class.

[GAME]

I dont think Pac has looked good for a long time. If he couldnt beat Marquez last time when he was young and hungry , what chance does he have now .

I dont think it will be that entertaining but we'll see a ring master in Marquez who although past his best will know enough tricks to expose Pac for a 2nd time.

[Julius Rain]

I dont think Pac has looked good for a long time. If he couldnt beat Marquez last time when he was young and hungry , what chance does he have now .

I dont think it will be that entertaining but we'll see a ring master in Marquez who although past his best will know enough tricks to expose Pac for a 2nd time.

I see like always already making excuses. Anti pac is back, last time i check jmm didn't win the fight so how can you say pac couldn't beat him if neither went home with the win. If you look at each fighter after the fight, look at jmm....he looks like he suffered two strokes a few concussion and severe nerve damages. Since then who has been less defensive and has been caught way too many for a so called master boxer from lesser southpaws. Honest to god, JMM ain't been the same since that fight. Pac hasn't been in a close fight since the morales rematch and jmm was just in one against mab who pac easily beat barely trying. Yea if you think pac didn't look good why couldn't your great marco come close to beating him like he nearly beat jmm and even dropped him. What arguement do you really have other then your bias oppinion? Since when does a fighter performace poorly when he lands over 50% at a fight and easily cruise to a u.d? FAns like you are just use to seeing pac knock out his oppenent and anything less then that is a poor performance.

[Addicted to_boxing]

I just can't help but comment on your post addicted to_boxing.

First, Pacquaio's team did not wait for JMM to age. It was JMM who did not accept the rematch after their first fight.JMM opted for Chris John so PAcquaio had to look for more worthy opponents(in terms of financial reward and prestige).Nor has JMM shown any interest of fighting Pacquaio again not until recently. When JMM challenged Pacquaio, it was immediately accepted by Pacquaio after JMM conceded to accept the terms of PAcquaio which was actually very reasonable (hope you know what it was coz it was as if you know everything in boxing, though in truth you had no idea of what you were talking).

You were talking of Soto and Guzman as better opponents for Pacquaio................. are you serious? They are good boxers, no doubt about it, but JMM is still the best opponent PAcquaio could have for now.

No doubt Juan Diaz is also a good choice for Pacquaio but the boxing world's clamor was for PAcquaio to fight JMM first. Can you blame Pacquaio or his team for being gracious about it?

Second, who are you calling a UK midget with little overrated skills? Hatton's first defeat was from the P4P #1. Does that defeat make him overrated? Tell that to all the respected members in this forum and they will tell you that you lack some boxing knowledge despite of your being addicted to it.....

Peace man.

Unless you sat in on the negotiations in person or have recordings your rhetoric is no more speculation than mine. So stop acting as though you are the IT in here. If you read Manila press the blame is on JMM. If you read Mexico city press and it was Pac's fault. Pac is the bigger draw no doubt but JMM is and was the champ then. Up until recent times the champ had the larger draw. There is no shame in wanting the larger purse and respect. I hope JMM wins for this reason alone to make PAC have to wait for a third fight and accept the lower purse. But I really want to see Pac vs Diaz and see how he fares against an extremely offensive and accurate puncher. To see what happens when Pac's foe has as much energy and does not buckle from one of his punches. JMM is unfinished business but it is also business too late. JMM fans will argue he is too late after his loss. ? Just waiting for Pac to have a fight where no doubt exist before a fight. Then he will have my and the haters full attention..

PS.. I am not a JMM or MAB fanatic, no unwarranted references to them is required.

[brucelee]

Unless you sat in on the negotiations in person or have recordings your rhetoric is no more speculation than mine. So stop acting as though you are the IT in here. If you read Manila press the blame is on JMM. If you read Mexico city press and it was Pac's fault. Pac is the bigger draw no doubt but JMM is and was the champ then. Up until recent times the champ had the larger draw. There is no shame in wanting the larger purse and respect. I hope JMM wins for this reason alone to make PAC have to wait for a third fight and accept the lower purse. But I really want to see Pac vs Diaz and see how he fares against an extremely offensive and accurate puncher. To see what happens when Pac's foe has as much energy and does not buckle from one of his punches. JMM is unfinished business but it is also business too late. JMM fans will argue he is too late after his loss. ? Just waiting for Pac to have a fight where no doubt exist before a fight. Then he will have my and the haters full attention..

PS.. I am not a JMM or MAB fanatic, no unwarranted references to them is required.

Case settled. Wait until Pacquaio fights Diaz. For the moment, stop making accusations without basis.

It's not like PAcquaio fighting Diaz by just pushing your whimsical button. Big fights need to be negotiated. JMM came first and Diaz can wait. Had PAcquaio opted for Diaz then people would be saying that he ducked JMM. Can you understand what I'm saying?

Patience is a virtue addicted to_boxing. It's one thing that you also need in boxing.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Case settled. Wait until Pacquaio fights Diaz. For the moment, stop making accusations without basis.

It's not like PAcquaio fighting Diaz by just pushing your whimsical button. Big fights need to be negotiated. JMM came first and Diaz can wait. Had PAcquaio opted for Diaz then people would be saying that he ducked JMM. Can you understand what I'm saying?

Patience is a virtue addicted to_boxing. It's one thing that you also need in boxing.

Bruce I am all for the JMM fight, I also like Pac's 2008 fight plans minus the fight against the lesser Diaz. I do not know where you get that I am not. What accusations am I making in my previous post? You may try researching the meaning of the words you use Dictionary.com

Note: opinions are not accusations.

[pacfan]

What you say has not merit as to what happens in the ring. In two weeks I will not be foolish waiting 4 years for a man to age is great strategy on PAC teams behalf. JMM is really good but many PAC fans have already mention how slow and flt footed JMM has looked recently. So Kudos to the Geriatric Assassin. Bring on Soto, Juan Diaz and Guman and lower the age requirements. Pac should win this fight, I just anxious to see if JMM can muster up one last effort. More interested in A Pac vs Baby Bull match or a sibling revenge fight with Soto. Not a circus match against a UK midget with little over rated skills.

You outta be kiddin.' Soto & Guzman is nowhere in the class of Marquez, though I concede that Baby Bull could be a real tough customer and if I were pac's team, I'd avoid him until he has settled well enough in the 135 class. And of course, 'no circus match against the UK 'little giant.' Oh, ya I almost forgot, pac's good at making prime fighters turn old overnight.

[Addicted to_boxing]

You outta be kiddin.' Soto & Guzman is nowhere in the class of Marquez, though I concede that Baby Bull could be a real tough customer and if I were pac's team, I'd avoid him until he has settled well enough in the 135 class. And of course, 'no circus match against the UK 'little giant.' Oh, ya I almost forgot, pac's good at making prime fighters turn old overnight.

Strictly speaking from physical abilities from being younger with less mileage: 2 traits Pacs recent opponents seem to lack. MAB 1 and JMM1 were the only instances. Outside of that Pac has administered Rx's to old geezers. JMM & MAB are 34, EM is 32. Both EM and MAB had many wars prior to Pac. JMM 1 was entertaining but that was 4 years ago. How can you say that these guys are not old? The numbers are factual age does not lie !!

[miron_lang]

What you say has not merit as to what happens in the ring. In two weeks I will not be foolish waiting 4 years for a man to age is great strategy on PAC teams behalf. JMM is really good but many PAC fans have already mention how slow and flt footed JMM has looked recently. So Kudos to the Geriatric Assassin. Bring on Soto, Juan Diaz and Guman and lower the age requirements. Pac should win this fight, I just anxious to see if JMM can muster up one last effort. More interested in A Pac vs Baby Bull match or a sibling revenge fight with Soto. Not a circus match against a UK midget with little over rated skills.

Do you know that JMM didnt want an immediate rematch dont you?

[brucelee]

Do you know that JMM didnt want an immediate rematch dont you?

I told him about it Miron but he still insists that it's Pacquaio who avoided JMM.


Addicted knows nothing about the issue (and may be about boxing) but he insists that he's only giving an opinion not accusation.

Pac-Hater to the bone!!!!

He's one of those posters who visits this forum when Pacquaio is about to fight somebody and loves to discredit and disrespect PAcman. After the fight, he's gone.

I don't know about his issues against Pacman but I believe he has something deeper against Pacman.