Juan Diaz P4P huh?Dear me....

[Julius Rain]

Ok now we all know what julius rain knew.....he sucks



see you guys, daxx v.d. and me had mention this just a few days ago. The guy sucks

ok maybe he doesn't suck that bad, people just overrated him too soon.

P4P

[El Gamo]

Ok now we all know what julius rain knew.....he sucks



see you guys, daxx v.d. and me had mention this just a few days ago. The guy sucks

ok maybe he doesn't suck that bad, people just overrated him too soon.

P4P

Juan Diaz doesn't "suck". He was over rated by some but as I said before,he's still young,still can build a great legacy and still would give Manny a tough fight

Rep on me Ice,for being honest and admitting to it and Rozzy Sean for good points although I disagree,I think Juan can still do good things,I jsut don't think he's some kind of monster.

[RozzySean]

Oh I totally Sean i'll admit i did jump on Juan Diaz bandwagon and looking back with hindsight i probably did put him too high. But like i said to El Gamo im not going to lie and say i didn't put him up there when i did.

I never said he would develop power bro in fact i don't have a lot of power either, but i have speed so i rely on timing and speed plus im also taller than most of the guys in my gym so i also use leverage. Diaz actually reminds me of Jesus Chavez they both are similar in height they both have swarming style and they both rely on workrate, plus they both aren't big punchers. The thing i noticed about Diaz is that he doesn't get his body into a shot he mostly throws arm punches and just relies on beating his opponent down with barrage of punishment. I don't think Diaz has been exposed like i said there has always been the big weakness with Diaz that he doesn't have power and being Diaz fan i was always worried about that. Can Campbell repeat a performance like that again though Sean ?? remember the old saying that every fighter always has one good fight left in him, and Campbell certainly proved that point by fighting a tremondous fight. But with his age can he repeat another performance like that ?? i sure hope so because Campbell is excellent to watch.

Right. If you don't have great power, you need to have speed, times, reach, skill - you need to be a boxer. You fight with the tools you have. A swarmer with limited power can be very good - Jesus Chavez was very good, but not great. Not p4p. I agree that's a pretty good analogy, Chavez and Diaz. I never thought of Chavez as being a p4p guy, either.

That's the real question, Ice....can Nate repeat that performance. He's an old fighter with a lot of miles on him, and it could be last night burned off the last of gas in his tank. If that was Campbell's last good fight, which it might be, JD will have a good chance in the rematch. He may make some improvements, but I don't ever see him as being a p4p. HBO hyped him up a ton, and he's been very well managed. Don't get me wrong, I like Diaz, too, but I don't every see him being a dominating force.

[Mikkel_K]

Like I said before,no-one really put forward a solid case for Juan Diaz to be P4P,it was simply a case of,he's unbeaten,has 2-3 decent wins,why not put him in there.

And I agree,I think he'll come back but it goes to show putting him in the P4P lists was rather premature.

I think it was also due to the fact that Juan Diaz held 3 alphabet belts (and - Ring belt or not - was generally considered the MAN) in one of the most prestigious divisions in boxing. That on paper should be enough to qualify you for p4p consideration, especially given he was undefeated to boot.

Personally I never had him in the top 10 (probably top 20 though), and I agree today's hindsight proves he never belonged there, but to laugh at the very notion of him being p4p seems a bit over the top.

[El Gamo]

I think it was also due to the fact that Juan Diaz held 3 alphabet belts (and - Ring belt or not - was generally considered the MAN) in one of the most prestigious divisions in boxing. That on paper should be enough to qualify you for p4p consideration, especially given he was undefeated to boot.

Personally I never had him in the top 10 (probably top 20 though), and I agree today's hindsight proves he never belonged there, but to laugh at the very notion of him being p4p seems a bit over the top.

Certainly,he was a top 20 contender,but in the top 10 fighters in the world,based on his record(which is good but not P4P just yet),absolutely not imo and I feel fully vindicated now. I certainly wasn't laughing at the notion but I thought people were getting carried away by the hype,that's all.

[:::PSL:::]

I think it was also due to the fact that Juan Diaz held 3 alphabet belts (and - Ring belt or not - was generally considered the MAN) in one of the most prestigious divisions in boxing. That on paper should be enough to qualify you for p4p consideration, especially given he was undefeated to boot.

Personally I never had him in the top 10 (probably top 20 though), and I agree today's hindsight proves he never belonged there, but to laugh at the very notion of him being p4p seems a bit over the top.

Yea. This just proves that belts doesn't mean sh1t that much these days.

[Pavlik]

If Baby Bull had a lil more Pop in his punches he will be almost unstoppable because as of now if you can WITHSTAND his barrage and have POWER looks like the kid doesnt have a plan B I can just imagine if he is up against a fighter who can stick and move with the same handpseed and stamina as him but with more POWER how can he cope?

[Deanrw]

I'll eat some crow. I thought he was untouchable at 135. I got owned big time !

[luvfightgame]

I think he just had an average night and Nate had a good night. Nate is bigger and stronger and more experienced. He really used his head alot, and not totally butting, but more pushing Juan's head where he could hit it. The cut was caused by a punch, but the punch landed because of the butt. Nate was using his head literally to set up punches.

I think his head caused alot of the eye problems, but the body work took Diaz's stamina. Overall the veteran tougher guy won, but it doesn't make Diaz a lesser fighter. He really fought the wrong strategy against Nate and he took a beating for it. He was right in is post fight interview to say that he didn't use his jab, he leaned too much on Nate and Nate was stronger and more crafty on the inside. Campbell fought very rough, used his head alot, but not enough to be penalized. Overall it was a very good fight and props to Campbell for the big win, and props to Diaz for finishing the fight strong cause he looked like he was gonna quit in the 11th.

[CutMeMick]

" Juan Diaz.... Wins over Freitas and Julio Diaz don't make you P4P. Cotto had to beat Judah,Mosley,and 3 unbeaten future world champs(Torres,Paulie and QUintana) to get into P4P lists. Diaz is nowhere near that."

Posted this yesterday in the P4P thread. Some of us were rather premature in making Diaz a P4P. Listen to El Gamo next time. I asked why and no-one gave a response. I feel fully indicated now.

You've somewhat redeemed yourself here in this post for the other 2....

"somewhat.,....."

[Kev]

Hind sight is used by many but I think I used it appropriately here. Diaz was on lists when Calderon wasn't?That was a common occurence.I've known of Diaz,nothing to do with that,facts are facts:his 2 biggest wins are Julio Diaz and Freitas. That's not P4P top 10.He was top 15-20,no way top 10.

And with regards to Kelly,KTFO Panter and Zertuche were equal to Freitas and Julio Diaz wins,2 wins over JT elevated him beyond that.

Seriously Gamo that is just a moronic statement. How can forcing one of the worlds greatest lightweights of the last decade to quit on his stool and then forcing another reigning world champ to quit on his stool also be only equal to Pavlik beating two fighters who have never held titles and in the case of Zertuche a fighter who wasn't even in the top 10?

Diaz was borderline p4p top 10 before the Campbell fight.

He got beat up badly by Campbell but he showed heart in going the distance.

You yourself have Calderon and Pavlik in your own p4p lists yet Pavlik could with a different referee to Steve Smoger in his first fight with Taylor have been just another hyped challenger, and there are some people who argued that Cazares beat Ivan Calderon.

I certainly think Diaz was top 10,11,12,13 any spot would have been ok with me as you could make cases for several fighters.

Campbell fought an inspired fight.

[Majesty]

Diaz deserved to be on the p4p lists. He was the most consistant winning lightweight while people like Corrales and Castillo and Casamayor were all beating and losing to each other he kept winning while under the radar. He deserved it i would not rank him above casamayor but he deserved to be there. Now that he's lost of course take him off but why werent people saying this prior to the fight

[josef4334]

i guess he would refrain calling out other fighters and focus on one fight at at time huh? ill quote him coz i think its pretty funny... no offense diaz fans
"manny has just beaten a legendary mexican champion, i think its time for him to step up with a young mexican warrior"

i guess he's stilll drooling for that fight he forgot to focus on this one.. props to nate campbell for talking sh8 and backing it up big time.

[Galaxy]

I thought Campbell would win by KO. But a dominate victory for Diaz would have given him a good case along with Pavlik, Calderon, & Mijares at knocking on the door to P4P. Before this defeat I regarded Diaz as a top 12 - 15 type guy.

[The Rookie Fan]

Yea. This just proves that belts doesn't mean sh1t that much these days.

I think this is unfair. I don't give a sh*t what The Ring sais. Baby Bull was the man at 135. Casa is done and he clearly loss his last fight bad. And I still think Diaz would beat Casa.

Cambell pulled an Ace off his sleave and fought the perfect fight to win. Diaz is still young and this loss might do one of two things. Either he decides to he wants to be a lawyer and leaves boxing or he becomes rededicated to the sport and comes back better than he was.

If I was a fair man I would say go be a lawyer and make some money while being nice and confertable in some leather chair at a big office. But I'm a boxing fan so I'm hoping for the latter option.