Is David Haye the savior of the heavyweight division?

[ono]

Just my thoughts but this is what I see.
Haye will be a moderately sucessfull HW until he reaches the top 4 or 5 guys. From there,whichever he faces that has good technique and or chin,he is a goner. He is just too open with that left hand low and the power will be MUCH different than what he is used to regardless of his one HW experience. He fought a guy who was made for him that time. You just don't go dippin' your toes in the water without knowing how warm the temperature is. Haye will only accomplish messing up an already weak and distraught division by getting a big shot with the weakest guy available by using his popularity. Should he win a fight of that nature he will only cause more problems and add another name in the hat.
I support his bid as a HW ONLY if he works his way up and proves he can handle the jar.

Wel yeh he is open but he's cleaned up at cruiser and he carried his left hand low the entire time.

Don't go telling me that the heavies are better skilled to take advantage of that.

Maybe Wlad but then you could easily argue 'what would happen to wlad when haye catches him'

[DaxxKahn]

Wel yeh he is open but he's cleaned up at cruiser and he carried his left hand low the entire time.

Don't go telling me that the heavies are better skilled to take advantage of that.

Maybe Wlad but then you could easily argue 'what would happen to wlad when haye catches him'

The power he carries at CW does not mean it is the same power as a HW....Guys who are used to getting hit by..big 250lb punchers and getting hit by a guy who is strong at 195 is different...and anyone who does not think so needs to learn a bit more...

[Von Milash]

The power he carries at CW does not mean it is the same power as a HW....Guys who are used to getting hit by..big 250lb punchers and getting hit by a guy who is strong at 195 is different...and anyone who does not think so needs to learn a bit more...

That's true Daxx, but Haye could be, COULD BE the next Evander Holyfield.

[Majesty]

That's true Daxx, but Haye could be, COULD BE the next Evander Holyfield.

Holyfield didnt have a questionable chin or stamina.

[WelshDevilRob]

I can understand some being skeptical about Haye but the main thing is that we have an exciting, fast, explosive fighter moving to Heavyweight and the division needs it, so whether you think he's gonna fail or succeed I'm sure it will be an entertaining ride.

As for me I know he is going to spark out Wladimir Klitschko and just about anyother Heavyweight out there. There is nothing much in the division apart from Povetkin.

Really can't wait for Haye's next fight but looks like we will have to wait til near the end of the year, can see it being hard for him to get opponents as nobody is really gonna want to fight him unless they have to.

[Majesty]

I can understand some being skeptical about Haye but the main thing is that we have an exciting, fast, explosive fighter moving to Heavyweight and the division needs it, so whether you think he's gonna fail or succeed I'm sure it will be an entertaining ride.

As for me I know he is going to spark out Wladimir Klitschko and just about anyother Heavyweight out there. There is nothing much in the division apart from Povetkin.

Really can't wait for Haye's next fight but looks like we will have to wait til near the end of the year, can see it being hard for him to get opponents as nobody is really gonna want to fight him unless they have to.

People mistake "entertaining" for "skillfull" Nowadays. Just becuase Haye is exciting doesn't make him the savior of the division, he has a questionable chin and stamina thats not anything that should be overlooked.

But people overlook a fighters flaws in the wake of a spectacular fight but one person who wouldn't is his opponent. And at heavyweight I think Haye would have a lot of problems and turn out to be a herbie hide. A knockout here and there maybe even a title but shall fall against the truly skilled heavyweights like Wladimer

[Beanflicker]

People mistake "entertaining" for "skillfull" Nowadays. Just becuase Haye is exciting doesn't make him the savior of the division, he has a questionable chin and stamina thats not anything that should be overlooked.

Great point, it really is a shame that we often overhype the entertaining brawler and underrate the skillful boxer.

[WelshDevilRob]

People mistake "entertaining" for "skillfull" Nowadays. Just becuase Haye is exciting doesn't make him the savior of the division, he has a questionable chin and stamina thats not anything that should be overlooked.

But people overlook a fighters flaws in the wake of a spectacular fight but one person who wouldn't is his opponent. And at heavyweight I think Haye would have a lot of problems and turn out to be a herbie hide. A knockout here and there maybe even a title but shall fall against the truly skilled heavyweights like Wladimer

Can't see how you can say the guy hasn't the skills - technically and ability wise he has everything.

He is entertaining and skillful. He always has been since his amateur days. His speed has always been his main asset along with reflex's. The power is what everyone notices and seem to ignore his undoubted skills.

As for overlooking flaws - possibly but people keeping on about stamina when he has been weight drained yet had no stamina problems in stopping Mormeck in 7 and Fragomeni in 9 - where were the stamina problems then?

What happened in his 11th fight is irrelevant to the fighter he is now - his lifestyle is no longer partying 24/7, as he has settled down and is training hard which was proven by him getting down in weight and losing 30lbs of muscle to win then defend the Cruiserweight titles.

The shit served up by Wladimir Klitschko the other day was just further proof that the guy is overhyped by some fans - I can't see what is so special about him and I having seen at least 20 of his fights - I know I ain't missing anything. Infact the guy is getting worse.

Even if Haye fails it sounds like you would prefer to watch Klitschko slap jab his way to victory over a completely shot Lamon Brewster and then a nobody champion like Ibragimov - if that's how you like your Heavyweight Champions then so be it. I'd rather watch Haye fight.

[Taeth]

I can understand some being skeptical about Haye but the main thing is that we have an exciting, fast, explosive fighter moving to Heavyweight and the division needs it, so whether you think he's gonna fail or succeed I'm sure it will be an entertaining ride.

As for me I know he is going to spark out Wladimir Klitschko and just about anyother Heavyweight out there. There is nothing much in the division apart from Povetkin.

Really can't wait for Haye's next fight but looks like we will have to wait til near the end of the year, can see it being hard for him to get opponents as nobody is really gonna want to fight him unless they have to.

The only chance that Haye has against Wlad is that he is taller than any of the other fast guys Wlad hs foughten and he's a little faster than the punchers Wlad has faced as well, but Wlad is the best fighter I've ever seen at nullifying speed. He uses his height reach, and intelligence to keep you from getting in. He knows the distance on his jab so well that I can't see Haye getting close enough to land a hard right, and I also don't see Haye having the defensive skills to stop Wladimir from landing whatever he would want to.

[WelshDevilRob]

The only chance that Haye has against Wlad is that he is taller than any of the other fast guys Wlad hs foughten and he's a little faster than the punchers Wlad has faced as well, but Wlad is the best fighter I've ever seen at nullifying speed. He uses his height reach, and intelligence to keep you from getting in. He knows the distance on his jab so well that I can't see Haye getting close enough to land a hard right, and I also don't see Haye having the defensive skills to stop Wladimir from landing whatever he would want to.

Completely disagree with you.

Klitschko is completely gunshy nowadays and hides behind the jab against average heavyweights. Haye will land at will due to him being vastly quicker and more agile than Wladimir. Speed Kills and when Haye detonates his faster hands on Wladimir he'll spark him out.

The hardest part will be getting Klitschko in the ring - I highly doubt he'll step upto face Haye. He can't take real Heavyweight Power and Haye has more of that than anyone else around.

[Von Milash]

Holyfield didnt have a questionable chin or stamina.

there have been times is his career where his stamina was atrocious. his new regime got him doing plyometrics, which he never did in his early years.

[DaxxKahn]

That's true Daxx, but Haye could be, COULD BE the next Evander Holyfield.

No offense Von but when IO heard Haye and his team say in interview's he was going to be the next Holyfield I got nausious....Haye is no Evander or does he have half the skill a CW Holyfield had, Evander also had an Iron chin during that time...It took a mcuh bigger and harder hitting guy in Bowe to stop Holyfield...Evander is a rare breed...Haye does not have the chin, ability or heart of Evander

[Kirkland Laing]

He won't be moving to take part in the next stage of Haye's career - that probably lies on the other side of the Atlantic, possibly with Don King, who promoted his last fight in Paris, when he won the title from Jean-Marc Mormeck. He was down in that fight before stopping Mormeck in the seventh - and King's step-son, Carl, who handled promotion, said later, "This kid's got everything. He can punch and he's chinny. The Americans will love that. He's a good looking kid. He brings what we want: excitement."



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[Kirkland Laing]

No offense Von but when IO heard Haye and his team say in interview's he was going to be the next Holyfield I got nausious....Haye is no Evander or does he have half the skill a CW Holyfield had, Evander also had an Iron chin during that time...It took a mcuh bigger and harder hitting guy in Bowe to stop Holyfield...Evander is a rare breed...Haye does not have the chin, ability or heart of Evander

Agree with this. If the heavyweight division had guys like Tyson/Bowe etc. Haye might just stay at cruiser for a while. He does have a chance against anybody there right now though because the heavyweight division is so lousy.

[El Kabong]

Agree with this. If the heavyweight division had guys like Tyson/Bowe etc. Haye might just stay at cruiser for a while. He does have a chance against anybody there right now though because the heavyweight division is so lousy.

....always positive, this one