Kessler scared of Pantera?

[Majesty]

I have a question..

How does beating David Banks qualify Miranda to fight one of the top 3 super middleweights in the world right now?

If that question is answered, I'll jump on the bandwagon for Miranda.

[CFH]

I have a question..

How does beating David Banks qualify Miranda to fight one of the top 3 super middleweights in the world right now?

If that question is answered, I'll jump on the bandwagon for Miranda.

I haven't read all the replies to this thread, but I don't think anyone could correctly claim that Miranda is even a top 5 SMW at this point. I would say the same thing about Jermaine Taylor as well, though I'd have him closer to the top 5 than I would Miranda.

[Pantera]

I have a question..

How does beating David Banks qualify Miranda to fight one of the top 3 super middleweights in the world right now?

If that question is answered, I'll jump on the bandwagon for Miranda.

It is a win win fight for both guys.

For Kessler it gives him a good payday with huge coverage in America against a beatable well known opponent. A win over Pantera makes Kessler a big hype in America and will surely give him the huge fight he thinks he deserves.

For Miranda it gives him a good payday with huge coverage in Europe with a chance to prove that his weight excuse at 160lbs was legit. A win over Kessler wipes out the Pavlik loss and puts him on top of the 168lbs division.

Plus it is a great fight for us fans!

[CFH]

It is a win win fight for both guys.

For Kessler it gives him a good payday with huge coverage in America against a beatable well known opponent. A win over Pantera makes Kessler a big hype in America and will surely give him the huge fight he thinks he deserves.

For Miranda it gives him a good payday with huge coverage in Europe with a chance to prove that his weight excuse at 160lbs was legit. A win over Kessler wipes out the Pavlik loss and puts him on top of the 168lbs division.

Plus it is a great fight for us fans!

It's hard to argue with this post, you make some good points. The only reason I don't want to see the fight is that I'm a big fan of both fighters.

[Majesty]

It is a win win fight for both guys.

For Kessler it gives him a good payday with huge coverage in America against a beatable well known opponent. A win over Pantera makes Kessler a big hype in America and will surely give him the huge fight he thinks he deserves.

For Miranda it gives him a good payday with huge coverage in Europe with a chance to prove that his weight excuse at 160lbs was legit. A win over Kessler wipes out the Pavlik loss and puts him on top of the 168lbs division.

Plus it is a great fight for us fans!

The question I asked is the reason this fight shouldn't happen.

If Kessler wins he'll get no credit they will say that Miranda's only super middleweight victory was against David Banks who really isn't anyone to shake a stick at.

Why doesnt Miranda fight someone like Lidrande?

Thats a good super middleweight fight. Because its NOT a victory for both men. If Kessler beats Miranda now he will get little to no credit and Miranda would be cast aside as a flash in the pan.

[Deanrw]

The question I asked is the reason this fight shouldn't happen.

If Kessler wins he'll get no credit they will say that Miranda's only super middleweight victory was against David Banks who really isn't anyone to shake a stick at.

Why doesnt Miranda fight someone like Lidrande?

Thats a good super middleweight fight. Because its NOT a victory for both men. If Kessler beats Miranda now he will get little to no credit and Miranda would be cast aside as a flash in the pan.

He fought Eric Lucas, Siaca etc in the past three years. I consider Miranda more credible than those guys, even though Siaca held a belt at the time. In fact if you look at Kessler's record, the only name on there that I could positively say is better than Miranda, is Calzaghe. The rest of the names are simply not world beaters. Miranda is not below the level of competition Kessler is used to facing.

[Majesty]

He fought Eric Lucas, Siaca etc in the past three years. I consider Miranda more credible than those guys, even though Siaca held a belt at the time. In fact if you look at Kessler's record, the only name on there that I could positively say is better than Miranda, is Calzaghe. The rest of the names are simply not world beaters. Miranda is not below the level of competition Kessler is used to facing.

The thing is Kessler is held in high regard because of those fights at Super Middleweight and his titles and etc.

The people you are mentioning that Miranda beat was at Middleweight and prior to getting starched by Pavlik.

Miranda's resume didnt mean anything after Pavlik stopped him. He basically has to restart building himself again, and the only name on his resume right noe after getting beaten is Banks. So Kessler has nothing to gain from a victory, if Miranda beats Adrande or someone like that or Lucian Bute, then that fight makes sense. But at this point it really doesnt, Mirands just got to super middleweight and hasnt beaten anyone of notice.

Kessler also has Beyer and Mindine on his record, one who is a current champ and another who was champ when Kessler fought him. Miranda has yet to beat a champion or a future champion. So Kessler got some names on his resume. Until Miranda beats someone close to the level of a Beyer or a Mundine then a Kessler fight should be out of the picture

[Deanrw]

The thing is Kessler is held in high regard because of those fights at Super Middleweight and his titles and etc.

The people you are mentioning that Miranda beat was at Middleweight and prior to getting starched by Pavlik.

Miranda's resume didnt mean anything after Pavlik stopped him. He basically has to restart building himself again, and the only name on his resume right noe after getting beaten is Banks. So Kessler has nothing to gain from a victory, if Miranda beats Adrande or someone like that or Lucian Bute, then that fight makes sense. But at this point it really doesnt, Mirands just got to super middleweight and hasnt beaten anyone of notice.

Kessler also has Beyer and Mindine on his record, one who is a current champ and another who was champ when Kessler fought him. Miranda has yet to beat a champion or a future champion. So Kessler got some names on his resume. Until Miranda beats someone close to the level of a Beyer or a Mundine then a Kessler fight should be out of the picture

As I mentioned in an earlier post, Kessler himself is also coming off a loss and needs to rebuild. There is a fight the networks are interested in. A high profile fight on American TV. It is there for the taking for him. It makes sense.

[Pantera]

Miranda has a big name and still decent hype in the USA.
To most American boxing fans, he has one loss againt Pavlik. I truly think he looked like shit before he even got into the ring. Most here believe he got jobbed in Germany. He also soundly beat Allan Green, a true 168lbs fighter.

IMO Miranda has plenty of credintials to have earned this fight. Epecially against a guy who is coming off a loss.

[Deanrw]

I have a question..

How does beating David Banks qualify Miranda to fight one of the top 3 super middleweights in the world right now?

If that question is answered, I'll jump on the bandwagon for Miranda.

I see it as Kessler wants to fight a high profile American based fighter on American TV. That leaves him with the choices of basically Miranda, Lacy, Taylor or Green.

Lacy is still trying to recapture what he once had and I don't think he is ready. Taylor himself is coming off two losses and deserves an easy fight or two. Green is in a contract dispute and will most likely not be available. That leaves Miranda, who not only wants the fight, but offers a style vastly different than the type of fighter Kessler has faced thus far.

On another note, Kess is coming off a loss himself and IMO, is not in the position to decide if Miranda is worthy of an opponent or not. He needs to Spit or get off the pot!