Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!

[TitoFan]

Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.

But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:

1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!

Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?

You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?

Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:

His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).

Trinidad never took rematches against fighter who beat him, didn't even pursue it. He is willing to come out of retirement go down to 154 or catch weight for peanuts, to beat a fighter he dominated but won't fight oscar for millions and to exonerate his biggest win from controversy. At least oscar rematched mosley whether u believe he won or lost and also has been calling out trinidad for years. whenever tito loses and is humiliated in a fight he wants no part of that fighter. Objective minds know Oscar won the trinidad fight only eggheads will say Tito won.

by the way Oscar has already fought oba carr, and ppl recognize oscar as a better fighter than tito, not because oscar fought tito's leftovers but because he dominated and embarrased tito, because isn't one-dimensional like tito, and because he never got a one-sided beating like tito (also not once but twice)

I was wondering when you were going to crawl out from under the rock you usually hide under and start spewing your anti-Tito bullsh*t. You've proven time and again to be a serious Oscar "nut hugger." Which is why nothing you say I take seriously. I've sparred with you over Tito-DLH in the past and have no wish to do so again. You want to talk about humiliation? How about Oscar banging the canvas in mock anger (it was actually relief) after a glancing liver shot by Hopkins? At least Tito fought through until the end, TKO'd by the bigger man. And don't forget, Tito has a LEGITIMATE victory at 160 on his record, his KO of Joppy. Not a gift-wrapped present from the judges like Oscar got over Sturm.

Face some facts, dude:

1. The record shows a VICTORY of Tito over Oscar. And it was in Las Vegas, Oscar's backyard. I guess the judges didn't take too kindly to Oscar's running like the bitch from hell. To Oscar's ever-lasting dissapointment, he'll have that memory the rest of his life.

2. Oscar, unlike Tito, has ALWAYS hand-picked his opponents. He fought an over-the-hill Chavez. He fought a shot Vargas. He fought a shot Mayorga.

3. Oscar, unlike Tito, cherishes his Golden Boy image much too much. Tito just enjoyed fighting. Love him or hate him, he always came to fight whoever they put in front of him. Oscar is all about legacy. Tito was all about the sheer joy of fighting.

So get off my case chami-boy.

[Wacko3205]

Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.

But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:

1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!

Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?

You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?

Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:

His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).

Tito fan...Oscar beat Mayorga's ass & outboxed him. You have to admit Oscar did a better job because Mayorga came to Oscar to fight...he didn't against Tito. He just stood there & let him hit him.

Don't let your love of P.R. cloud your judgement...Oscar beat Mayorga...& he beat Tito...& if Tito steps up again...he'll get beaten...AGAIN.

[The_One77]

Oscar is a better fighter than Tito
just bad tactics really

[TitoFan]

Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.

But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:

1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!

Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?

You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?

Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:

His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).

Tito fan...Oscar beat Mayorga's a** & outboxed him. You have to admit Oscar did a better job because Mayorga came to Oscar to fight...he didn't against Tito. He just stood there & let him hit him.

Don't let your love of P.R. cloud your judgement...Oscar beat Mayorga...& he beat Tito...& if Tito steps up again...he'll get beaten...AGAIN.

Mayorga didn't come in to fight against Tito?!?!? C'mon Wacko... say it isn't so. Not you too!! Damn, it's getting tiring to have to defend Tito from all the unfair and incorrect stuff some people want to pass off as truth. Hey, maybe Tito will come back and fight Oscar and maybe not. And who the hell knows for sure what will happen? But one thing's for sure. The judges in Las Vegas that night, in Oscar's backyard, on HBO, the network so in love with the Golden Boy, for some reason decided that Oscar had thrown away the fight. And THAT'S HOW THEY SCORED IT. Case closed. If they fight again, we'll see what happens. Until then, it exists as a W for Tito and a L for Oscar in the record books.

[TitoFan]

Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.

But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:

1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!

Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?

You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?

Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:

His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).

Tito fan...Oscar beat Mayorga's a** & outboxed him. You have to admit Oscar did a better job because Mayorga came to Oscar to fight...he didn't against Tito. He just stood there & let him hit him.

Don't let your love of P.R. cloud your judgement...Oscar beat Mayorga...& he beat Tito...& if Tito steps up again...he'll get beaten...AGAIN.

Mayorga didn't come in to fight against Tito?!?!? C'mon Wacko... say it isn't so. Not you too!! Damn, it's getting tiring to have to defend Tito from all the unfair and incorrect stuff some people want to pass off as truth. Hey, maybe Tito will come back and fight Oscar and maybe not. And who the hell knows for sure what will happen? But one thing's for sure. The judges in Las Vegas that night, in Oscar's backyard, on HBO, the network so in love with the Golden Boy, for some reason decided that Oscar had thrown away the fight. And THAT'S HOW THEY SCORED IT. Case closed. If they fight again, we'll see what happens. Until then, it exists as a W for Tito and a L for Oscar in the record books.

And for the record, wack..... please reread the first two sentences of my original post. I don't want to start another Tito vs. Oscar war over this (needlessly), but I'm not going to back down from another poster's ignorant comments, either. (And I'm not talking about you, ok?)

[chamiley]

Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.

But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:

1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!

Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?

You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?

Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:

His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).

Trinidad never took rematches against fighter who beat him, didn't even pursue it. He is willing to come out of retirement go down to 154 or catch weight for peanuts, to beat a fighter he dominated but won't fight oscar for millions and to exonerate his biggest win from controversy. At least oscar rematched mosley whether u believe he won or lost and also has been calling out trinidad for years. whenever tito loses and is humiliated in a fight he wants no part of that fighter. Objective minds know Oscar won the trinidad fight only eggheads will say Tito won.

by the way Oscar has already fought oba carr, and ppl recognize oscar as a better fighter than tito, not because oscar fought tito's leftovers but because he dominated and embarrased tito, because isn't one-dimensional like tito, and because he never got a one-sided beating like tito (also not once but twice)

I was wondering when you were going to crawl out from under the rock you usually hide under and start spewing your anti-Tito bullsh*t. You've proven time and again to be a serious Oscar "nut hugger." Which is why nothing you say I take seriously. I've sparred with you over Tito-DLH in the past and have no wish to do so again. You want to talk about humiliation? How about Oscar banging the canvas in mock anger (it was actually relief) after a glancing liver shot by Hopkins? At least Tito fought through until the end, TKO'd by the bigger man. And don't forget, Tito has a LEGITIMATE victory at 160 on his record, his KO of Joppy. Not a gift-wrapped present from the judges like Oscar got over Sturm.

Face some facts, dude:

1. The record shows a VICTORY of Tito over Oscar. And it was in Las Vegas, Oscar's backyard. I guess the judges didn't take too kindly to Oscar's running like the bitch from hell. To Oscar's ever-lasting dissapointment, he'll have that memory the rest of his life.

2. Oscar, unlike Tito, has ALWAYS hand-picked his opponents. He fought an over-the-hill Chavez. He fought a shot Vargas. He fought a shot Mayorga.

3. Oscar, unlike Tito, cherishes his Golden Boy image much too much. Tito just enjoyed fighting. Love him or hate him, he always came to fight whoever they put in front of him. Oscar is all about legacy. Tito was all about the sheer joy of fighting.

So get off my case chami-boy.

you have a child like attitude so let me educate you what humiliation is
it is not humiliation if you get caught in boxing by a shot. it is humiliation if you get beat for round after round and you take the beating and cannot adapt. that is humiliation my delusional friend. I will be the first to say oscar didn't belong in 160 pounds and his win over sturm is very questionable. but you my friend are contradicting yourself. you ask me to face the fact about the controversial outcome, that trinidad has a W over oscar on his record, and then you speculate on how oscar got a gift decision over sturm. so if you are going to ask me to face the facts about the trinidad win then I will be entitled to ask you to face the facts about the sturm win.

Also this is prizefighting not streetfighting where fighters fight just for the joy, in boxing every fight is going to be a part of history. every real fighter is always concerned about their legacy but I guess since it never crossed tito's mind coz he never to rematches to redeem himself, the same rule applies to his fans as well.

Oscar fought whoever was availabel to him at 140pounds chavez was the best opponent for him at the time. at 147 whitaker was the best opponent available to him, then it was quartey, then it was trinidad and when he moved up to jr middlewight it was vargasand at middleweight it was hopkins. Somehow I fail to understand how this a resume of a fighter who picks easy opponents to beat.

for the record I am not being ignorant, start making some sense in your post and I will be off your case

[chamiley]

I don't want to start an Oscar vs Tito thread

it was you who brought trinidad into the picture. this is oscar's moment but somehow u had to sneak tito into the picture to malign oscar in his hour of glory.

[TitoFan]

I don't want to start an Oscar vs Tito thread

it was you who brought trinidad into the picture. this is oscar's moment but somehow u had to sneak tito into the picture to malign oscar in his hour of glory.

Enough said. Heaven knows I don't want to get into another Tito vs Oscar thread either. The difference between me and you, however, is that I'm open-minded enough to give De la Hoya some credit. You, on the other hand, do nothing but trash Trinidad mercilessly, like he owes you money. AND, you also do a pretty good job of hurling insults at people who do not agree with you. So no, I'm not your "delusional friend", or any other kind of friend, for that matter. Just someone who will not be bullied into submission by your insults. Is that ok with you?

[SalTheButcher]

Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.

But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:

1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!

Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?

You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?

Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:

His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).

[SalTheButcher]

lets ask Mayorga who hits harder. he dropped his hands for Tito and didnt budge.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

ODH IN NO WAY HAS EVEN 45% OF THE POWER OF TRINIDAD, AND I NEVER LIKED TRINIDAD

[Jman76]

According to 3 judges in Vegas and all Puerto Ricans, Trinidad won. According to the rest of the world Oscar won. See the fight again at least 5 more times, can you TRULY convince yourself Trinidad won? The best he should have gotten was a DRAW and even that would be considered generous. It was actually very entertaining seeing how Oscar was playing with him with just jabs...at the start of the fight Trinidad had white trunks, by the middle rounds it was all RED. Alcazar is a MORON for telling Oscar to not fight the last 3 rounds!

About Trinidad and Mayorga...Mayorga was hitting Tito hard the first 2 mins into round 1 until he stuck out his chin and acted stupid. Oscar didn't get hit at all against Mayorga...why? Well you can come up with excuses but the truth is that Oscar has DEFENSE. Tito will never have the boxing skills/defense Oscar has. He will punch harder but that's about it. It's not that Tito was not " Tito " against Winky, it's just that Winky is a wiz at defense. It doesn't matter how hard you hit if you can't hit the opponent. If Oscar were to fight winky, he would also lose but he would make it a closer fight. Truth is they should be fighting at 147 or 154...NOT 160, they both suck at 160.

[TitoFan]

According to 3 judges in Vegas and all Puerto Ricans, Trinidad won. According to the rest of the world Oscar won. See the fight again at least 5 more times, can you TRULY convince yourself Trinidad won? The best he should have gotten was a DRAW and even that would be considered generous. It was actually very entertaining seeing how Oscar was playing with him with just jabs...at the start of the fight Trinidad had white trunks, by the middle rounds it was all RED. Alcazar is a MORON for telling Oscar to not fight the last 3 rounds!

About Trinidad and Mayorga...Mayorga was hitting Tito hard the first 2 mins into round 1 until he stuck out his chin and acted stupid. Oscar didn't get hit at all against Mayorga...why? Well you can come up with excuses but the truth is that Oscar has DEFENSE. Tito will never have the boxing skills/defense Oscar has. He will punch harder but that's about it. It's not that Tito was not " Tito " against Winky, it's just that Winky is a wiz at defense. It doesn't matter how hard you hit if you can't hit the opponent. If Oscar were to fight winky, he would also lose but he would make it a closer fight. Truth is they should be fighting at 147 or 154...NOT 160, they both suck at 160.

1. No, not all Puerto Ricans thought Trinidad won.
2. Oscar didn't run away from Trinidad in the last few rounds just because Alcazar told him too. Tasting a good shot from Trinidad and not wanting to get KTFO probably had something to do with it also.
3. Yes, Oscar has better defense than Tito (you heard right). And yes, Oscar is the better boxer (you heard right again). But Tito is the better FIGHTER. Hence, his impressive record which not even De la Hoya can match. Fight by fight, opponent by opponent, Tito has fought and beaten far more impressive fighters than Oscar, hands down.

So yes, you make very good points. I, however, stand by my opinion.

[chamiley]

According to 3 judges in Vegas and all Puerto Ricans, Trinidad won. According to the rest of the world Oscar won. See the fight again at least 5 more times, can you TRULY convince yourself Trinidad won? The best he should have gotten was a DRAW and even that would be considered generous. It was actually very entertaining seeing how Oscar was playing with him with just jabs...at the start of the fight Trinidad had white trunks, by the middle rounds it was all RED. Alcazar is a MORON for telling Oscar to not fight the last 3 rounds!

About Trinidad and Mayorga...Mayorga was hitting Tito hard the first 2 mins into round 1 until he stuck out his chin and acted stupid. Oscar didn't get hit at all against Mayorga...why? Well you can come up with excuses but the truth is that Oscar has DEFENSE. Tito will never have the boxing skills/defense Oscar has. He will punch harder but that's about it. It's not that Tito was not " Tito " against Winky, it's just that Winky is a wiz at defense. It doesn't matter how hard you hit if you can't hit the opponent. If Oscar were to fight winky, he would also lose but he would make it a closer fight. Truth is they should be fighting at 147 or 154...NOT 160, they both suck at 160.

1. No, not all Puerto Ricans thought Trinidad won.
2. Oscar didn't run away from Trinidad in the last few rounds just because Alcazar told him too. Tasting a good shot from Trinidad and not wanting to get KTFO probably had something to do with it also.
3. Yes, Oscar has better defense than Tito (you heard right). And yes, Oscar is the better boxer (you heard right again). But Tito is the better FIGHTER. Hence, his impressive record which not even De la Hoya can match. Fight by fight, opponent by opponent, Tito has fought and beaten far more impressive fighters than Oscar, hands down.

So yes, you make very good points. I, however, stand by my opinion.

Evaluating Oscar and Tito

Defense: Oscar Power: Tito
Boxing ability: Oscar
Ring generalship: Oscar
Handspeed: Oscar
Footspeed: Oscar
Chin: Oscar

How on earth is Tito a better overall fighter than Oscar. Between the two he is the better puncher thats about it.

[Unknowndonor]

According to 3 judges in Vegas and all Puerto Ricans, Trinidad won. According to the rest of the world Oscar won. See the fight again at least 5 more times, can you TRULY convince yourself Trinidad won? The best he should have gotten was a DRAW and even that would be considered generous. It was actually very entertaining seeing how Oscar was playing with him with just jabs...at the start of the fight Trinidad had white trunks, by the middle rounds it was all RED. Alcazar is a MORON for telling Oscar to not fight the last 3 rounds!

About Trinidad and Mayorga...Mayorga was hitting Tito hard the first 2 mins into round 1 until he stuck out his chin and acted stupid. Oscar didn't get hit at all against Mayorga...why? Well you can come up with excuses but the truth is that Oscar has DEFENSE. Tito will never have the boxing skills/defense Oscar has. He will punch harder but that's about it. It's not that Tito was not " Tito " against Winky, it's just that Winky is a wiz at defense. It doesn't matter how hard you hit if you can't hit the opponent. If Oscar were to fight winky, he would also lose but he would make it a closer fight. Truth is they should be fighting at 147 or 154...NOT 160, they both suck at 160.

1. No, not all Puerto Ricans thought Trinidad won.
2. Oscar didn't run away from Trinidad in the last few rounds just because Alcazar told him too. Tasting a good shot from Trinidad and not wanting to get KTFO probably had something to do with it also.
3. Yes, Oscar has better defense than Tito (you heard right). And yes, Oscar is the better boxer (you heard right again). But Tito is the better FIGHTER. Hence, his impressive record which not even De la Hoya can match. Fight by fight, opponent by opponent, Tito has fought and beaten far more impressive fighters than Oscar, hands down.

So yes, you make very good points. I, however, stand by my opinion.

Evaluating Oscar and Tito

Defense: Oscar Power: Tito
Boxing ability: Oscar
Ring generalship: Oscar
Handspeed: Oscar
Footspeed: Oscar
Chin: Oscar

How on earth is Tito a better overall fighter than Oscar. Between the two he is the better puncher thats about it.

I'm noy saying who is the better fighter, but you forgot one other stat that Tito has over Oscar= Heart.

[chamiley]

According to 3 judges in Vegas and all Puerto Ricans, Trinidad won. According to the rest of the world Oscar won. See the fight again at least 5 more times, can you TRULY convince yourself Trinidad won? The best he should have gotten was a DRAW and even that would be considered generous. It was actually very entertaining seeing how Oscar was playing with him with just jabs...at the start of the fight Trinidad had white trunks, by the middle rounds it was all RED. Alcazar is a MORON for telling Oscar to not fight the last 3 rounds!

About Trinidad and Mayorga...Mayorga was hitting Tito hard the first 2 mins into round 1 until he stuck out his chin and acted stupid. Oscar didn't get hit at all against Mayorga...why? Well you can come up with excuses but the truth is that Oscar has DEFENSE. Tito will never have the boxing skills/defense Oscar has. He will punch harder but that's about it. It's not that Tito was not " Tito " against Winky, it's just that Winky is a wiz at defense. It doesn't matter how hard you hit if you can't hit the opponent. If Oscar were to fight winky, he would also lose but he would make it a closer fight. Truth is they should be fighting at 147 or 154...NOT 160, they both suck at 160.

1. No, not all Puerto Ricans thought Trinidad won.
2. Oscar didn't run away from Trinidad in the last few rounds just because Alcazar told him too. Tasting a good shot from Trinidad and not wanting to get KTFO probably had something to do with it also.
3. Yes, Oscar has better defense than Tito (you heard right). And yes, Oscar is the better boxer (you heard right again). But Tito is the better FIGHTER. Hence, his impressive record which not even De la Hoya can match. Fight by fight, opponent by opponent, Tito has fought and beaten far more impressive fighters than Oscar, hands down.

So yes, you make very good points. I, however, stand by my opinion.

Evaluating Oscar and Tito

Defense: Oscar Power: Tito
Boxing ability: Oscar
Ring generalship: Oscar
Handspeed: Oscar
Footspeed: Oscar
Chin: Oscar

How on earth is Tito a better overall fighter than Oscar. Between the two he is the better puncher thats about it.

I'm noy saying who is the better fighter, but you forgot one other stat that Tito has over Oscar= Heart.

that is an intangible which is based on speculation, it cannot be seen therefore one is entitled to their opinion for that. It is a very subjective debate but if you are basing that on his running in the trinidad fight and the so called dive in the hopkins fight than you have every right to say that tito has more heart than oscar.