Is David Haye the savior of the heavyweight division?

[Fenster]

I thought the Haye/Hide comparison was pathetic Haye/Guinn is pure comedy

[Kirkland Laing]

....always positive, this one

Always realistic.

I can't wait to see what Haye can do to that load of old rubbish.

[Wayne]

There is no one savior of the division. It's going to take a team of HWs cleaning up the trash then fighting one another in heated battles to get the public's attention like they used to. Pretty much you're going to need 3 or 4 or 4 or 5 Klitschko and Peter level fighters. That means not just the ability, but the power and being a natural attraction for the public. Other than those two no one is really noticing anyone else in the division.

Wait til you get a Jonathan Banks up at HW or Chris Arreola, or whatever his name is (see what I mean?) and these guys get a couple high profile, tough fights. It's coming, but it just seems so slow right now.

[Majesty]

We have an exciting heavyweight but as long as he is with Don King he won't be fighting anytime soon, Lamon Brewster.

[Wayne]

Lamon Brewster? You kidding me? So far as I'm concerned that guy is retired. What heavyweight will he be a challenge for? The guy's concerned with keeping enough marbles to have a conversation with his kid and with his style he's got to be all or nothing.

[ICB]

He is no HW division saviour...Haye has a lot of flaws in his style...Flaws that if he brought with him to the HW division he gets sparked...The biggest being the way he holds down his left hand.....Haye does not impress me....Sorry gents but you are all just so desperate for a HW you are willing to take anyone with a pulse

Some of the greatest Heavyweights of all time held there left hand low, aka Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, just to name a few.

[Taeth]

Wlad has been on his ass 11 times through his career and if he was KO'd by Sanders and Brewster then imagine what David Haye will do to him when he lands a hayemaker as remmeber when Haye goes up to heavy he will be hitting harder than he was at cruiser and you seen what he did to Bonin at heavy.

... You have got to be kidding me... look what happened to Haye against Thompson... Also tell me again what Sanders' and Brewster's ko% in the heavyweights is again? Yeah thats what I thought, both of them hit harder than Haye, and thats not the point. Klitschko doesn't fight like he used to, haye would never find the oppertunity to hit Klitschko, and he sure as hell couldn't handle Wlad's power. If Haye even gets to Wlad, which he could, he will be beaten for sure.

[Taeth]

I can understand some being skeptical about Haye but the main thing is that we have an exciting, fast, explosive fighter moving to Heavyweight and the division needs it, so whether you think he's gonna fail or succeed I'm sure it will be an entertaining ride.

As for me I know he is going to spark out Wladimir Klitschko and just about anyother Heavyweight out there. There is nothing much in the division apart from Povetkin.

Really can't wait for Haye's next fight but looks like we will have to wait til near the end of the year, can see it being hard for him to get opponents as nobody is really gonna want to fight him unless they have to.

The only chance that Haye has against Wlad is that he is taller than any of the other fast guys Wlad hs foughten and he's a little faster than the punchers Wlad has faced as well, but Wlad is the best fighter I've ever seen at nullifying speed. He uses his height reach, and intelligence to keep you from getting in. He knows the distance on his jab so well that I can't see Haye getting close enough to land a hard right, and I also don't see Haye having the defensive skills to stop Wladimir from landing whatever he would want to.

[WelshDevilRob]

People mistake "entertaining" for "skillfull" Nowadays. Just becuase Haye is exciting doesn't make him the savior of the division, he has a questionable chin and stamina thats not anything that should be overlooked.

But people overlook a fighters flaws in the wake of a spectacular fight but one person who wouldn't is his opponent. And at heavyweight I think Haye would have a lot of problems and turn out to be a herbie hide. A knockout here and there maybe even a title but shall fall against the truly skilled heavyweights like Wladimer

Can't see how you can say the guy hasn't the skills - technically and ability wise he has everything.

He is entertaining and skillful. He always has been since his amateur days. His speed has always been his main asset along with reflex's. The power is what everyone notices and seem to ignore his undoubted skills.

As for overlooking flaws - possibly but people keeping on about stamina when he has been weight drained yet had no stamina problems in stopping Mormeck in 7 and Fragomeni in 9 - where were the stamina problems then?

What happened in his 11th fight is irrelevant to the fighter he is now - his lifestyle is no longer partying 24/7, as he has settled down and is training hard which was proven by him getting down in weight and losing 30lbs of muscle to win then defend the Cruiserweight titles.

The shit served up by Wladimir Klitschko the other day was just further proof that the guy is overhyped by some fans - I can't see what is so special about him and I having seen at least 20 of his fights - I know I ain't missing anything. Infact the guy is getting worse.

Even if Haye fails it sounds like you would prefer to watch Klitschko slap jab his way to victory over a completely shot Lamon Brewster and then a nobody champion like Ibragimov - if that's how you like your Heavyweight Champions then so be it. I'd rather watch Haye fight.

[WelshDevilRob]

The only chance that Haye has against Wlad is that he is taller than any of the other fast guys Wlad hs foughten and he's a little faster than the punchers Wlad has faced as well, but Wlad is the best fighter I've ever seen at nullifying speed. He uses his height reach, and intelligence to keep you from getting in. He knows the distance on his jab so well that I can't see Haye getting close enough to land a hard right, and I also don't see Haye having the defensive skills to stop Wladimir from landing whatever he would want to.

Completely disagree with you.

Klitschko is completely gunshy nowadays and hides behind the jab against average heavyweights. Haye will land at will due to him being vastly quicker and more agile than Wladimir. Speed Kills and when Haye detonates his faster hands on Wladimir he'll spark him out.

The hardest part will be getting Klitschko in the ring - I highly doubt he'll step upto face Haye. He can't take real Heavyweight Power and Haye has more of that than anyone else around.

[JT Rock]

Just my thoughts but this is what I see.
Haye will be a moderately sucessfull HW until he reaches the top 4 or 5 guys. From there,whichever he faces that has good technique and or chin,he is a goner.

LOL!!! Who are these top 4-5 fighters you speak of After Wlad and Peter none of them are worth a crap for the most part

[Taeth]

Completely disagree with you.

Klitschko is completely gunshy nowadays and hides behind the jab against average heavyweights. Haye will land at will due to him being vastly quicker and more agile than Wladimir. Speed Kills and when Haye detonates his faster hands on Wladimir he'll spark him out.

The hardest part will be getting Klitschko in the ring - I highly doubt he'll step upto face Haye. He can't take real Heavyweight Power and Haye has more of that than anyone else around.

Thats bs... Speed doesn't nullify height, watch Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest... Unless the fast guy has unique skills(like RJJ, PBF, etc) they won't be able to beat a taller guy of equal skill. Also Wladimir isn't gunshy all the of the time watch him against Byrd the second fight(who is faster than haye, but still coudln't land to Wlad's head), watch him against Peter, or against Brewster, he threw more punches than heavyweights have for a while now. His hesistants is all the more reason why haye won't stand a chance because Wlad is so skilled defensively, the jab nullifies that right hand, especially when Wladimir is throwing it from his 6'6-6'7 vantage point. Second haye isn't vastly quicker than Klitshcko who has very has hands(he is definitely faster than Enzo). its not me saying this but brooks(who taught both Wlad and Tyson) said that Wladimir has faster hands than Tyson when he trained him. Regardless, a better defensive fighter in Ibrigamov couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches nor Chris Byrd the first time they fought then Haye couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches, and there is no reason to believe Haye has any better of a chin p4p than Klitschko let alone him being able to survive what Klitschko dishes out... Haye would be fighting a bigger, better, and more experienced fighter than himself, who definitely hits harder than him.

[Taeth]

Can't see how you can say the guy hasn't the skills - technically and ability wise he has everything.

He is entertaining and skillful. He always has been since his amateur days. His speed has always been his main asset along with reflex's. The power is what everyone notices and seem to ignore his undoubted skills.

As for overlooking flaws - possibly but people keeping on about stamina when he has been weight drained yet had no stamina problems in stopping Mormeck in 7 and Fragomeni in 9 - where were the stamina problems then?

What happened in his 11th fight is irrelevant to the fighter he is now - his lifestyle is no longer partying 24/7, as he has settled down and is training hard which was proven by him getting down in weight and losing 30lbs of muscle to win then defend the Cruiserweight titles.

The shit served up by Wladimir Klitschko the other day was just further proof that the guy is overhyped by some fans - I can't see what is so special about him and I having seen at least 20 of his fights - I know I ain't missing anything. Infact the guy is getting worse.

Even if Haye fails it sounds like you would prefer to watch Klitschko slap jab his way to victory over a completely shot Lamon Brewster and then a nobody champion like Ibragimov - if that's how you like your Heavyweight Champions then so be it. I'd rather watch Haye fight.

Just you saying Ibragimov is a nobody leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about. He is a fast, solid puncher, who is a southpaw and had an extensive amateur career in Russia. Klitschko hardly slaps with his jab, he lands that jab as hard as anybody has ever landed a jab (including Louis, Foreman, Liston, etc). If you have seen 20 Klitschko fights, and you aren't impressed than David Haye shouldn't impress you at all because despite the fact he is skilled, he isnt' as skilled as Klitshcko, he doesn't have the defensive skills, or the arsenal of punches Wlad used to use, but DOESN'T have to right now. What Wlad against Mercer and if you aren't impressed by how good he is there then your an idiot.

[Mark TKO]

Haye is an exciting heavyweight prospect who has just come along at the right time - and the way he fights is only going to generate interest

Let's face it - look at the top ten heavies and apart from Wlad and Peter you'd defo pick him against any of them

[jimbob]

does anyone know if haye has a longer reach than most as he looked long armed to me and whatever happened to valuev i heard he was unbeatable