Vitali Klitchsko: does Peter even have a chance?

[El Kabong]

I know he tested positive. Not many athletes like to admit they were using intentionally.

He tested positive for an illegal substance which in the sport of boxing is considered by many as cheating!

You were very quick to call me a "Blooding Idiot" which is very disrespectful considering it is my opinion. Then in a following post you say you have had theories... bit of a contradiction isn't it? Anyway you don't need to be rude, it takes an adult to debate rationally

And he only tested positive one time and therefore saying that it proves he used the drug intentionally or multiple times or uses the drug still to this day just from the one failed test is an assumption...it's based on what you have created in your mind and not on solid evidence or facts.

Sure everything you post COULD be true but it's not wise to just had out judgement on everyone just because they fail one test because not every case is the same.

I am sure that there are plenty of people that have used steroids and have never tested positive.

[Lance Uppercut]

I think it would be better for boxing if Peter trashes his wbc trinket and fight Wlad to finally create an undisputed heavyweight champion again. The sport needs that.

And Vitali can fight the #2 wbc contender for the wbc trinket. That way boxing will have an undisputed heavyweight champion,(most likely Wlad) and vitali still gets a paper title that he wants.

[Galaxy]

And he only tested positive one time and therefore saying that it proves he used the drug intentionally or multiple times or uses the drug still to this day just from the one failed test is an assumption...it's based on what you have created in your mind and not on solid evidence or facts.

Sure everything you post COULD be true but it's not wise to just had out judgement on everyone just because they fail one test because not every case is the same.

I am sure that there are plenty of people that have used steroids and have never tested positive.

I never said being caught proves he used intentionally, or multiple times & no one has said he's using to this day. The fact is he tested positive which is considered cheating whether he knew about it or not.
I don't know if he's used them since getting caught & frankly I don't care. But it is my opinion that through his kick boxing career & up until he was caught he had used them more than the once. Years can be anything more than one year & his kick boxing & amateur career combined was longer than a year, hence my terming it years of abuse

But your rightif used correctly you shouldn't be caught, but it doesn't change the fact that Vitali did.

[El Kabong]

So you think he used them throughout his amateur and kickboxing career?

That is still a lot to assume given the one failed test.

[Bomp]

It's a fair assumption to make, as one of the others said, you lose the benefit of the doubt the second you're caught. The only thing that makes me slightly forgive him is that due to the lax testing system in boxing there must be many others who haven't been caught, unfortunately boxing isn't as vigilant as it should be like athletics and cycling have become.

[El Kabong]

It's a fair assumption to make, as one of the others said, you lose the benefit of the doubt the second you're caught. The only thing that makes me slightly forgive him is that due to the lax testing system in boxing there must be many others who haven't been caught, unfortunately boxing isn't as vigilant as it should be like athletics and cycling have become.

No assumption is fair to make....sure the court of public opinion doesn't have many rules but if you're making a case against Vitali then you're not going to win anyone over with that argument.

Shane Mosley, Roy Jones Jr., Fernando Vargas, James Toney, etc would also be guilty of doping AS PROFESSIONALS if your assumptions are to be followed

[Bomp]

It's the point I was trying to make, Vitali shouldn't be singled out due to all the other guys, what I'm pissed about is the general lax attitude towards drug taking within the sport. The attitude SHOULD be to have instant lengthy bans and the fighters to be responsible for what's in their system, and the attitude of the fans SHOULD be to instantly shun the fighters once they're caught, only then could it have the smallest chance to be eradicated.

[El Kabong]

Well improving testing is fine with me but let's not go crazy and weed out everyone like Vitali who maybe made a mistake in judgement or as an amateur.


Boxing is a sport of second chances, just ask Tyson and James Toney

[Galaxy]

No assumption is fair to make....sure the court of public opinion doesn't have many rules but if you're making a case against Vitali then you're not going to win anyone over with that argument.

Shane Mosley, Roy Jones Jr., Fernando Vargas, James Toney, etc would also be guilty of doping AS PROFESSIONALS if your assumptions are to be followed

Mosley was suspected but unlike the others you mentioned he never tested positive. You can throw Holyfield on that list too.

If you test positive you should be banned for life, that is my opinion on the matter. Come HOF time I hope they take that into consideration.

Vitali tested positive theres no case to make it's black & white... as for prior or continued use thats down to ones opinion

[El Kabong]

Mosley was suspected but unlike the others you mentioned he never tested positive. You can throw Holyfield on that list too.

If you test positive you should be banned for life, that is my opinion on the matter. Come HOF time I hope they take that into consideration.

Vitali tested positive theres no case to make it's black & white... as for prior or continued use thats down to ones opinion

BALCO

Shane Mosley had ties to BALCO...same as Marion Jones and Kellie White both admitted using steroids later on. So it doesn't look good for Shane and Shane as a PROFESSIONAL....that puts his entire career in question!

Vitali has never tested positive as a pro and hasn't been working with anyone who is involved in steroids.

[Lance Uppercut]

No assumption is fair to make....

Hey Lyle,
why is it that your are such a staunch unforgiving conservative with everything else, but when it comes to your Klitschko boys, you sound like a nonjudgmental bleeding heart liberal.

[ICB]

I used to like Vitali but after he quit against Byrd and then backs out of fights with McCline i think it was ?? and Rahman i lost a lot of respect for him. He wasted everybody's time and he can never shut up about Lewis, i really want Vitali to get KO i can't stand him anymore.

[El Kabong]

I used to like Vitali but after he quit against Byrd and then backs out of fights with McCline i think it was ?? and Rahman i lost a lot of respect for him. He wasted everybody's time and he can never shut up about Lewis, i really want Vitali to get KO i can't stand him anymore.

...Well no one knew who he was when Byrd beat him...he had a torn rotator cuff see if Holyfield would want to try and gut out his torn rotator cuff again or quit if given the chance again.

He has had a bad back for a while and neck surgery...I think he shouldn't fight anymore but I don't fault him for wanting to continue to do what he loves and is good at....no reason to lose respect for him just because his body is wearing down.

[LUCKY_13]

I know he tested positive. Not many athletes like to admit they were using intentionally.

He tested positive for an illegal substance which in the sport of boxing is considered by many as cheating!

You were very quick to call me a "Blooding Idiot" which is very disrespectful considering it is my opinion. Then in a following post you say you have had theories... bit of a contradiction isn't it? Anyway you don't need to be rude, it takes an adult to debate rationally

I apologise for offensive terminology then. Lol.
I just found you to be ignorant that after he tested positive once, you said years of steroid abuse. That's just making an assumption of a guy you don't know. You were quick to point a finger, I was being quick to defend. All good mate.

So you think he used them throughout his amateur and kickboxing career?

That is still a lot to assume given the one failed test.

Hey Lyle...you got a book called 'Unser FitnessBuch' by the Klitschkos? I just bought it off amazon...if you got it...how do you find it?



Also, few people said Vitali is rusty and stuff and won't be the same when he comes back. I reckon he will be a little rusty but not like the rest. The majority of boxers on return haven't trained for years and stuff so they suck on the return. Who is to say if Vitali hasn't been training hard for the past few years? I see the Klitschko being really secretive in their training programs, which I think is great, so I wouldn't be suprised if Vitali has been going hard at it.

Besides I see the brothers being very smart and having lots of common sense. I don't believe for a second that Vitali would step up to the challenge if he didn't feel that he could do it. I don't believe he will be like Maskaev.

[El Kabong]

I never read the book you're talking about Lucky, I actually haven't read any boxing books...I might have to remedy that.



Galaxy, sure the time off will affect Vitali but with his awkward style I just don't think it will affect him as much as let's say a Roy Jones Jr or a Floyd Mayweather Jr.....those guys use their instinct and speed....Vitali uses his size and height....it's a different ball game when you don't really have to deal with rhythm or timing