Miranda vs Kessler - ALMOST A DONE DEAL!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

The smart pick would probably be kessler but with a guy who can hit as hard as edison anything is possible. His skills are getting a tad better and that just slightly increases the chances of miranda landing some hard clean shots. Don't get me wrong miranda can be out boxed by almost anyone, just the more experience miranda gains the more dangerous he becomes for anyone. Either way this fight will be great.....now if we could just get miranda to teach witter what to say to get hatton to the table, his mouth sure got kesslers attention quick.

HAHAH, It's true. He is one of the great mouths of boxing. He's there with Toney, Mayorga, Hopkins and Floyd.

He knows how to sell a fight. The styles match up well. Kessler will be on his backfoot all night but he'll be looking to counter Miranda's wide shots anyway...

[ono]

I think this will be a closer fight than many expect. I remember Miranda landing some absolute gems on Pavlik.

If the same happens to Kessler, who knows.


Does Kessler have the same level of determination and heart as Pavlik? Can he absorb the shots just like Pavlik did? And can he fire back with enough power and intensity as Pavlik did?

I think a lot on here just remember him being ko'd but the fight was very close. Pavlik's chin and heart kept him in that fight.

There is a chance Kessler can dominate with straight punches. But there is also a chance that he could unravel if he's hurt. Nobody has ever seen him in a situation like that.....so it could be very interesting.

[leftylee]

I just sent Pantera a message on myspace and here is what he says:

"We are waiting on an answer from his team".

[No Contest]

Kessler won't be able to push Miranda backwards like Pavlik did. Pantera can pull it off if he doesn't take alot of right hands flush.

[DaxxKahn]

I just sent Pantera a message on myspace and here is what he says:

"We are waiting on an answer from his team".

And you think Edison manages the page himself why?

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

And you think Edison manages the page himself why?

he doesn't even speak english

[Bomp]

I was thinking about that now PoB, I didn;t think Miranda spoke english. Perhaps he isn't the trash talker he appears to be, maybe all his comments are full of respect except that his translator has a sense of humour.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

hahahahaha

[Deanrw]

Miranda's Own Words: "Kessler es un opositor formidable. El es una lucha muy resistente y estoy mirando adelante a ella."

Actual Translation: "Kessler is a formidable opponent. He is a very tough fight and I am looking forward to it"

Miranda's Spokesman Translation: "Kessler is not a man. He should be playing checkers or water polo. Those Tattoo's do not make him tough."

[Pantera]

I was thinking about that now PoB, I didn;t think Miranda spoke english. Perhaps he isn't the trash talker he appears to be, maybe all his comments are full of respect except that his translator has a sense of humour.

Warriors does have a good PR team, but I wouldnt be surprised if they talk with Edison before coming out with those releases.

If you have ever seen Miranda speak live, like at a press conference, these releases refelct his personality. He can go on forever behind the mic and usually has the audience laughing with his comments. A pretty funny dude.

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I think this will be a closer fight than many expect. I remember Miranda landing some absolute gems on Pavlik.

If the same happens to Kessler, who knows.


Does Kessler have the same level of determination and heart as Pavlik? Can he absorb the shots just like Pavlik did? And can he fire back with enough power and intensity as Pavlik did?

I think a lot on here just remember him being ko'd but the fight was very close. Pavlik's chin and heart kept him in that fight.

There is a chance Kessler can dominate with straight punches. But there is also a chance that he could unravel if he's hurt. Nobody has ever seen him in a situation like that.....so it could be very interesting.

I usually agree with your posts, but I think your dead wrong here, along with many others in this thread. I don't see those "gems" Miranda landed on Pavlik at all. Taylor landed a couple of gems on Pavlik, Miranda didn't come close to those kind of shots. The fact is, that whole fight Pavlik was the one backing Miranda up. The entire time. And Miranda does not pack his power when he is on the back foot. He connected with Pavliks chin plenty sure, but go back and really watch the way his feet were set at the time. They were almost all arm punches he was throwing. It was definetly an action packed fight, but it was also one sided in my view. Pavlik's chin and heart did not keep him in the fight, his own power, jab and technique dictated the fight. I think it's honestly pretty funny how much of a chance people are giving Miranda in this fight. It just proves to a tee that boxing really is about what a fighter has done for you lately. People are talking about how this is so gutsy for Kessler to take as a comeback fight, and that he's never fought anyone like Kessler, etc. For christs sake, Kessler lost a COMPETITIVE UD to Joe Calzaghe, where he landed some wicked uppers and right hands throughout. Calzaghe is on a completely different plane than Miranda in general, not to mention he is naturally bigger. The last time Miranda was in against a remotely quality fighter he got KTFO. Let's get real here, please. Is a KO over David Banks supposed to vindicate him as a SMW threat? This is ridiculous imo. Kessler has WAY too much for Miranda, not only in terms of overall ability but stylistically. Miranda is going to eat straight punches down the middle something fierce. The question will be whether he can take them. I really don't think so at all. Kessler is bigger and stronger than Miranda and probably even Pavlik, with his accurate conventional style how the hell is Miranda about to make him go backwards? He won't, and if he tries he'll get timed on the way in with right hands.

[eagle]

I usually agree with your posts, but I think your dead wrong here, along with many others in this thread. I don't see those "gems" Miranda landed on Pavlik at all. Taylor landed a couple of gems on Pavlik, Miranda didn't come close to those kind of shots. The fact is, that whole fight Pavlik was the one backing Miranda up. The entire time. And Miranda does not pack his power when he is on the back foot. He connected with Pavliks chin plenty sure, but go back and really watch the way his feet were set at the time. They were almost all arm punches he was throwing. It was definetly an action packed fight, but it was also one sided in my view. Pavlik's chin and heart did not keep him in the fight, his own power, jab and technique dictated the fight. I think it's honestly pretty funny how much of a chance people are giving Miranda in this fight. It just proves to a tee that boxing really is about what a fighter has done for you lately. People are talking about how this is so gutsy for Kessler to take as a comeback fight, and that he's never fought anyone like Kessler, etc. For christs sake, Kessler lost a COMPETITIVE UD to Joe Calzaghe, where he landed some wicked uppers and right hands throughout. Calzaghe is on a completely different plane than Miranda in general, not to mention he is naturally bigger. The last time Miranda was in against a remotely quality fighter he got KTFO. Let's get real here, please. Is a KO over David Banks supposed to vindicate him as a SMW threat? This is ridiculous imo. Kessler has WAY too much for Miranda, not only in terms of overall ability but stylistically. Miranda is going to eat straight punches down the middle something fierce. The question will be whether he can take them. I really don't think so at all. Kessler is bigger and stronger than Miranda and probably even Pavlik, with his accurate conventional style how the hell is Miranda about to make him go backwards? He won't, and if he tries he'll get timed on the way in with right hands.

Good post mate. Makes a lot of sense.

[CFH]

I usually agree with your posts, but I think your dead wrong here, along with many others in this thread. I don't see those "gems" Miranda landed on Pavlik at all. Taylor landed a couple of gems on Pavlik, Miranda didn't come close to those kind of shots. The fact is, that whole fight Pavlik was the one backing Miranda up. The entire time. And Miranda does not pack his power when he is on the back foot. He connected with Pavliks chin plenty sure, but go back and really watch the way his feet were set at the time. They were almost all arm punches he was throwing. It was definetly an action packed fight, but it was also one sided in my view. Pavlik's chin and heart did not keep him in the fight, his own power, jab and technique dictated the fight. I think it's honestly pretty funny how much of a chance people are giving Miranda in this fight. It just proves to a tee that boxing really is about what a fighter has done for you lately. People are talking about how this is so gutsy for Kessler to take as a comeback fight, and that he's never fought anyone like Kessler, etc. For christs sake, Kessler lost a COMPETITIVE UD to Joe Calzaghe, where he landed some wicked uppers and right hands throughout. Calzaghe is on a completely different plane than Miranda in general, not to mention he is naturally bigger. The last time Miranda was in against a remotely quality fighter he got KTFO. Let's get real here, please. Is a KO over David Banks supposed to vindicate him as a SMW threat? This is ridiculous imo. Kessler has WAY too much for Miranda, not only in terms of overall ability but stylistically. Miranda is going to eat straight punches down the middle something fierce. The question will be whether he can take them. I really don't think so at all. Kessler is bigger and stronger than Miranda and probably even Pavlik, with his accurate conventional style how the hell is Miranda about to make him go backwards? He won't, and if he tries he'll get timed on the way in with right hands.

Great post, I agree almost 100%.

[Pantera]

I usually agree with your posts, but I think your dead wrong here, along with many others in this thread. I don't see those "gems" Miranda landed on Pavlik at all. Taylor landed a couple of gems on Pavlik, Miranda didn't come close to those kind of shots. The fact is, that whole fight Pavlik was the one backing Miranda up. The entire time. And Miranda does not pack his power when he is on the back foot. He connected with Pavliks chin plenty sure, but go back and really watch the way his feet were set at the time. They were almost all arm punches he was throwing. It was definetly an action packed fight, but it was also one sided in my view. Pavlik's chin and heart did not keep him in the fight, his own power, jab and technique dictated the fight. I think it's honestly pretty funny how much of a chance people are giving Miranda in this fight. It just proves to a tee that boxing really is about what a fighter has done for you lately. People are talking about how this is so gutsy for Kessler to take as a comeback fight, and that he's never fought anyone like Kessler, etc. For christs sake, Kessler lost a COMPETITIVE UD to Joe Calzaghe, where he landed some wicked uppers and right hands throughout. Calzaghe is on a completely different plane than Miranda in general, not to mention he is naturally bigger. The last time Miranda was in against a remotely quality fighter he got KTFO. Let's get real here, please. Is a KO over David Banks supposed to vindicate him as a SMW threat? This is ridiculous imo. Kessler has WAY too much for Miranda, not only in terms of overall ability but stylistically. Miranda is going to eat straight punches down the middle something fierce. The question will be whether he can take them. I really don't think so at all. Kessler is bigger and stronger than Miranda and probably even Pavlik, with his accurate conventional style how the hell is Miranda about to make him go backwards? He won't, and if he tries he'll get timed on the way in with right hands.

You make good points... But a few things...
Miranda, naturally, is probably bigger and stronger than both Kessler and Calzaghe. He walk around over 200lbs. He was 192lbs in the ring with Banks. So size is not going to be against Miranda.
Yes, he did hit Pavlik with everything he had that night and it did not hurt him. If Miranda is accurate in saying he was far from 100% that night and had nothing on his punches, than this is probably why people think Pavlik has some granite chin. At 100%, fighting closer to his natural weight, maybe..... maybe Pantera DOES posess the power to really hurt someone like Pavlik or Kessler.

Anyway. I just rewatched Calzaghe/Kessler last night. Kessler is a bad ass top fighter. He is one tough nut to crack. Can Miranda crack him? It will not be easy, but if his weight loss troubles hold any water, I give him a chance. I for one will be behind him 100%.

Great fight and looking forward to it!

[ICB]

I usually agree with your posts, but I think your dead wrong here, along with many others in this thread. I don't see those "gems" Miranda landed on Pavlik at all. Taylor landed a couple of gems on Pavlik, Miranda didn't come close to those kind of shots. The fact is, that whole fight Pavlik was the one backing Miranda up. The entire time. And Miranda does not pack his power when he is on the back foot. He connected with Pavliks chin plenty sure, but go back and really watch the way his feet were set at the time. They were almost all arm punches he was throwing. It was definetly an action packed fight, but it was also one sided in my view. Pavlik's chin and heart did not keep him in the fight, his own power, jab and technique dictated the fight. I think it's honestly pretty funny how much of a chance people are giving Miranda in this fight. It just proves to a tee that boxing really is about what a fighter has done for you lately. People are talking about how this is so gutsy for Kessler to take as a comeback fight, and that he's never fought anyone like Kessler, etc. For christs sake, Kessler lost a COMPETITIVE UD to Joe Calzaghe, where he landed some wicked uppers and right hands throughout. Calzaghe is on a completely different plane than Miranda in general, not to mention he is naturally bigger. The last time Miranda was in against a remotely quality fighter he got KTFO. Let's get real here, please. Is a KO over David Banks supposed to vindicate him as a SMW threat? This is ridiculous imo. Kessler has WAY too much for Miranda, not only in terms of overall ability but stylistically. Miranda is going to eat straight punches down the middle something fierce. The question will be whether he can take them. I really don't think so at all. Kessler is bigger and stronger than Miranda and probably even Pavlik, with his accurate conventional style how the hell is Miranda about to make him go backwards? He won't, and if he tries he'll get timed on the way in with right hands.

I think Miranda is a pretty sloppy puncher to be honest, even when he isn't on the back foot his punching technique is sloppy. I disagree that Miranda didn't land any *Gems* on Pavlik. As i remember it he landed some beauty's at the end of round 1 which stunned Pavlik for a second and bloodied his nose. I do agree that his punching power was made much more ineffective by Pavlik backing him up and because Miranda's feet wern't set at the time. But he still landed hard shots on Pavlik that would of knocked out most of the other Middleweights IMO, or at least stopped them from coming forward. I do agree Kessler will beat Miranda pretty handily i think Kessler is in a different class to Miranda, but i disagree that Kessler vs Calzaghe was competitive, i had it 8 rounds to 4 and many other people had it 9 rounds to 3, im not sure what you class as *Competitive* but after about round 4 i see it as a pretty dominant performance from Calzaghe personally. I do agree though Kessler's straight punches right down the pipe will do some serious damage on Miranda who loops his punches, like i said Kessler will give Miranda a boxing lesson IMO. Miranda is pretty 1 dimensional yes he has good power but i think his punching technique is quite sloppy and his defense is pretty sloppy as well. I see Kessler winning one sided decision although it wouldn't surprise me if Kessler stopped Miranda late on.