Shame on Ring Mag and Shame on the WBC!

[Diane]

The WBC won't do shit, because Floyd is a cash cow for them, and we all know how Jose Sulaiman and his son like to extract unnecessary fees from the fighters, aka the $25,000 they pilfered from Pavlik.

[Kev]

How is Ricky Hatton not a weltwerweight?

He was former welterweight champion of the world.

By the way who are all these true welters that Cotto has faced?

He beat Quintana who was a welter admittedly, to win a VACANT belt vacated by the previous welterweight champ Ricky Hatton.

Then he beat Oktay Urkal who spent his entire career at LIGHT welter

Then he beat Zab Judah who I think was a welter, but Floyd FOUGHT HIM ALSO

Then he fought Shane Mosely who came DOWN from 154 lbs

So Cotto by your own estimation has fought 2 welterweights.


Floyd has fought Judah and Baldomir which makes two also.

Floyd has fought 4 times at 147 lbs facing two welters, Cotto has fought 4 times at welter also, again fighting only two welters.

Furthermore his next fight is against Alphonso Gomez who has campaigned mostly at 154 recently.

Hope this helps

[JT Rock]

How is Ricky Hatton not a weltwerweight?

He was former welterweight champion of the world.

By the way who are all these true welters that Cotto has faced?

He beat Quintana who was a welter admittedly, to win a VACANT belt vacated by the previous welterweight champ Ricky Hatton.

Then he beat Oktay Urkal who spent his entire career at LIGHT welter

Then he beat Zab Judah who I think was a welter, but Floyd FOUGHT HIM ALSO

Then he fought Shane Mosely who came DOWN from 154 lbs

So Cotto by your own estimation has fought 2 welterweights.


Floyd has fought Judah and Baldomir which makes two also.

Floyd has fought 4 times at 147 lbs facing two welters, Cotto has fought 4 times at welter also, again fighting only two welters.

Furthermore his next fight is against Alphonso Gomez who has campaigned mostly at 154 recently.

Hope this helps

Oh cmon Bilbo your using reasoning and facts... That dosent work with this bunch

according to them Cotto has a 18inch cack, walks on water, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, is more powerful than a locomotive, faster than a speeding bullet

[Lance Uppercut]

Floyd will be the champ until he retires or looses. Bottom line. In the old days, guys like Bradock, Dempsey, and Johnson would defend the title once a year, so there is nothing new with floyd.

[SigmaMu]

How is Ricky Hatton not a weltwerweight?

Ricky had only fight at Welter Weight against Collazo.
Everyone thought Ricky lost that fight and his face showed proof of it. He was chased back down to JR. Welter Weight.
End of Story.

He was former welterweight champion of the world.

Got a gift. Collazo was robbed and Ricky was afraid to rematch. Some Welter weight that was.

By the way who are all these true welters that Cotto has faced?

Cotto has only been a welter since DECEMBER of 2006 that is a little over a year.

He beat Quintana who was a welter admittedly, to win a VACANT belt vacated by the previous welterweight champ Ricky Hatton.

99 % of Quintanas fights have been at Welter Weight. Why do you keep bringing up that Jr Welter Weight Ricky Hatton. RICKY IS NOT A WELTER WEIGHT. 99.8 % of
Rickys fights have been at JR Welter Weight. BTW, Did you miss Quintana beating Williams? *Cough*

Then he beat Oktay Urkal who spent his entire career at LIGHT welter

Oktay was a mandatory, who became a Welter in 2005.

Then he beat Zab Judah who I think was a welter, but Floyd FOUGHT HIM ALSO

Come Setp, it will be nearly TWO years since Floyd has faced a Welter Weight. Get that thru your skull.

Then he fought Shane Mosely who came DOWN from 154 lbs

Shane has had 10 Welter Weight fights and plans to stay at 147 this makes him a Welter. Ricky is not a real Wetler.

So Cotto by your own estimation has fought 2 welterweights.

No, this is by your ASStimation. If you look hard enough, you will see that all of his opponents are and have been campaingning at 147.
Ricky is again campaigning at 140 what don't you understand about this? I thought you were smart.

Floyd has fought Judah and Baldomir which makes two also.

In Sept, it will have been nearly TWO years since he has faced a Welter Weight. You dont get it?
Cotto has not been a Welter Weight as long as Floyd and Ring mag claim he has. there is about a years difference.

Floyd has fought 4 times at 147 lbs facing two welters, Cotto has fought 4 times at welter also, again fighting only two welters.

You are making shit up by saying Cotto is not fighting Welter weight every fighter Cotto has faced at Welter continues to campaign at Welter.
Ricky is campaigning at 140 Jr Welter. Cotto has only been a welter for about a year.

Furthermore his next fight is against Alphonso Gomez who has campaigned mostly at 154 recently.

Gomez has had 15 fights at Welter Weight and he plans on staying there.

Hope this helps

No, you did not help. I helped you though.

[SweetPea]

Floyd beat the guy who was the Ring champion at 147 (Baldomir).

Cotto just became a legit contender for Floyd's title within the past 6-9 months.

If we were to list all the big fights that took more than a year or two to come together, we'd be here all day and the list would probably run off the page.

Cotto fans need to calm down here. Twelve months from now in March 2009, if they're both undefeated and no fight is signed, then we'll talk.

What's disappointing is that there are people on this board who are good boxing fans and can contribute in a lot of different discussions, yet they waste all their time and energy on Floyd/Cotto conspiracy theories. There are more interesting things going on in the sport of boxing!

[SigmaMu]

Floyd beat the guy who was the Ring champion at 147 (Baldomir).

Cotto just became a legit contender for Floyd's title within the past 6-9 months.

If we were to list all the big fights that took more than a year or two to come together, we'd be here all day and the list would probably run off the page.

Cotto fans need to calm down here. Twelve months from now in March 2009, if they're both undefeated and no fight is signed, then we'll talk.

What's disappointing is that there are people on this board who are good boxing fans and can contribute in a lot of different discussions, yet they waste all their time and energy on Floyd/Cotto conspiracy theories. There are more interesting things going on in the sport of boxing!

The list of fights that should have happend would be much larger.
In 2009 you will be singing with me or I will be singing with you. Knowing PBF, I think my tune will prevail and you will be making apologees to the forum

[SweetPea]

In 2009 you will be singing with me or I will be singing with you. Knowing PBF, I think my tune will prevail and you will be making apologees to the forum

You're right, by 2009 we'll know who's right and who's wrong.

So why not spend 2008 talking about the fights that are actually happening instead of starting threads everyday about this fight that isn't happening?

[Spicoli]

In 2009 you will be singing with me or I will be singing with you. Knowing PBF, I think my tune will prevail and you will be making apologees to the forum

You're right, by 2009 we'll know who's right and who's wrong.

So why not spend 2008 talking about the fights that are actually happening instead of starting threads everyday about this fight that isn't happening?

Really can not see to many at all getting pummed up and clamoring for a GBP cash-grab rematch while the top 7-8 welters have fights pending with one another or just coming of the same.

Me personnaly I want the man with the biggest swagger to get in class and start sorting it out as a dominate champion.I don't care if it's Cotto,winner of Margarito/Cintron...someone .What really happens if,A big If Imo, Oscar defeats Mayweather? Trilogy ........we Wait another 1 or 2 years.?

[Macho]

Floyd beat the guy who was the Ring champion at 147 (Baldomir).

Cotto just became a legit contender for Floyd's title within the past 6-9 months.

If we were to list all the big fights that took more than a year or two to come together, we'd be here all day and the list would probably run off the page.

Cotto fans need to calm down here. Twelve months from now in March 2009, if they're both undefeated and no fight is signed, then we'll talk.

What's disappointing is that there are people on this board who are good boxing fans and can contribute in a lot of different discussions, yet they waste all their time and energy on Floyd/Cotto conspiracy theories. There are more interesting things going on in the sport of boxing!

I exactly agree , but about Baldomir i don't want take off credits of him but , Judah loss with him before the fight begin by his stupid and no-professional behavior , he underestimated him too , he thought that Baldomir was a piece of cake and was the contrary because Baldomir not even look like a threat boxer , so that kind of behavior is that F*ck to Judah.....

[Galaxy]

For starters Hatton was the Jr. W champ & to me champion vs champion is better than say a Cotto/ Gomez fight!

Second Floyd has never lost his championship & will remain Ring champion until he loses it in the ring, retires or completely moves to another division!

You should change the name of the thread because the only shame I see is on you for not recognizing that the Rings policy is trying to better the game!

[Kev]

For starters Hatton was the Jr. W champ & to me champion vs champion is better than say a Cotto/ Gomez fight!

Second Floyd has never lost his championship & will remain Ring champion until he loses it in the ring, retires or completely moves to another division!

You should change the name of the thread because the only shame I see is on you for not recognizing that the Rings policy is trying to better the game!

Exactly they are moaning about Floyd facing Oscar De Hoya, Ricky Hatton and then De La Hoya again in three successive matches whilst meanwhile Cotto takes on the man who finished 3rd from Season 1 of the Contender

In Danny's defense I can kind of see his point in Floyd moving up to 154 but keeping his welterweight title, then moving back down making a single defense and then moving back up to face Oscar at 154 lbs again this time for no belt.

Hopefully Oscar can somehow get himself down to 147 so its a real welterweight title fight.