Can't Believe It! Everyone sez Marquez Won & I Believed, Shame on Me!

[pacfan]

I'm telling you right now that "pacfan" doesn't have a biased opinion.

No sir.

Ya bet! Thanks BoxingGorilla

[Spicoli]

I had it a two point fight for Marquez,you can look at Pac's aggression, power and the KD &/or you can look at the counter punching and sharp shots by Marquez.All in all it was a nip & tuck fight well contested and Both guys showed true courage and pride ,This is one where the lines are drawn so deep in the sand that minds are made up and no one will be convinced the other way.

Watch the replay tonight On HBO,Undercard of Casamayor Vs. Katsidis.I really hope this place does not get as trivial and as nasty as it did last Sat. Night

[Julius Rain]

Jmm needed a knock out to win the fight coming into the 12, or alteast a knockdown to make it a draw. he was despret but he came up short. Even jim said it coming into the 12, jmm may need a knock out to win.

Notice Jmm slow down by the 10th, he had a big 8 round that took more out of him then pac.

Pac block most of jmms punches with his gloves, there was no outboxing pac. Even steward said it, you can't outbox pac you have to fight him.

Note both jim and steward said this during the fight.

This fight was close only because pac fought jmms fight. Pac has now beaten mab in his own perfered fight and he has also beaten jmm in his own countering style. Look at the third round, that punch pac landed was a counter punch. PERFECT FUCKING PUNCH, so give my boy credit. For a dubbed masterful counter puncher. JMM himself has never landed a beautiful counter like that. LOOK at the tenth round, only 20 some seconds into that round, pac again lands a beautiful fcking counter left hook, it nearly sends jmm across the pacific.

Jmm did well but pac has adapted his no longer just a brawler, his boxing and countering is underrated.

Only reason people say pac lost is because the standard for a pac victory is a k.o. Jmm didn't get ko'ed but look at his face, from his forehead to his upper lip his whole face is swollen. Pac only suffered from one eye which was crucial. It was first cause from the mutual headbutt, at first it seem jmm suffered worst but later jmm targetted that cut to worsen it. Pac also spread jmm cuts, both battered eachothers cut well. Great fight but jmm came up short. Pac settles and does not go out to destroys, he prefers to fight these guys fights now. His countering and boxing is underrated. As long as pac does not win via k.o its a lost in the eyes of the blinds. They should be proud jmm was in a close fight and pac didn't blaze him out of the ring. He could of finish jmm in the fourth right after jmm was stunned twice or thrice. Pacs extra 16 pounds after the weight in is also slowing him down. When he moves up to 135 i hope to see the vicious side of pac again.

Believe me pac is p4p great, so is Jmm but pac did not lose to jmm. If anything jmm should retire and live with this lost, atleast he can brag about not being stopped by pac unlike the other two. His really asking for it if he moves up to 135 just to fight pac again. Maybe its just for another million pac can get him.

[pacfan]

Jmm needed a knock out to win the fight coming into the 12, or alteast a knockdown to make it a draw. he was despret but he came up short. Even jim said it coming into the 12, jmm may need a knock out to win.

Notice Jmm slow down by the 10th, he had a big 8 round that took more out of him then pac.

Pac block most of jmms punches with his gloves, there was no outboxing pac. Even steward said it, you can't outbox pac you have to fight him.

Note both jim and steward said this during the fight.

This fight was close only because pac fought jmms fight. Pac has now beaten mab in his own perfered fight and he has also beaten jmm in his own countering style. Look at the third round, that punch pac landed was a counter punch. PERFECT FUCKING PUNCH, so give my boy credit. For a dubbed masterful counter puncher. JMM himself has never landed a beautiful counter like that. LOOK at the tenth round, only 20 some seconds into that round, pac again lands a beautiful fcking counter left hook, it nearly sends jmm across the pacific.

Jmm did well but pac has adapted his no longer just a brawler, his boxing and countering is underrated.

Only reason people say pac lost is because the standard for a pac victory is a k.o. Jmm didn't get ko'ed but look at his face, from his forehead to his upper lip his whole face is swollen. Pac only suffered from one eye which was crucial. It was first cause from the mutual headbutt, at first it seem jmm suffered worst but later jmm targetted that cut to worsen it. Pac also spread jmm cuts, both battered eachothers cut well. Great fight but jmm came up short. Pac settles and does not go out to destroys, he prefers to fight these guys fights now. His countering and boxing is underrated. As long as pac does not win via k.o its a lost in the eyes of the blinds. They should be proud jmm was in a close fight and pac didn't blaze him out of the ring. He could of finish jmm in the fourth right after jmm was stunned twice or thrice. Pacs extra 16 pounds after the weight in is also slowing him down. When he moves up to 135 i hope to see the vicious side of pac again.

Believe me pac is p4p great, so is Jmm but pac did not lose to jmm. If anything jmm should retire and live with this lost, atleast he can brag about not being stopped by pac unlike the other two. His really asking for it if he moves up to 135 just to fight pac again. Maybe its just for another million pac can get him.

Yup, julius, I may not agree with Manny Steward sometimes, but when it comes to boxing in pure sense, I usually agree. That's on record cuz I've seen many threads here criticizing him but my usual reply there is, 'I'll pick M. Steward anytime over any kids here who claims to know boxing better than him.'

[Julius Rain]

Jmm needed a knock out to win the fight coming into the 12, or alteast a knockdown to make it a draw. he was despret but he came up short. Even jim said it coming into the 12, jmm may need a knock out to win.

Notice Jmm slow down by the 10th, he had a big 8 round that took more out of him then pac.

Pac block most of jmms punches with his gloves, there was no outboxing pac. Even steward said it, you can't outbox pac you have to fight him.

Note both jim and steward said this during the fight.

This fight was close only because pac fought jmms fight. Pac has now beaten mab in his own perfered fight and he has also beaten jmm in his own countering style. Look at the third round, that punch pac landed was a counter punch. PERFECT FUCKING PUNCH, so give my boy credit. For a dubbed masterful counter puncher. JMM himself has never landed a beautiful counter like that. LOOK at the tenth round, only 20 some seconds into that round, pac again lands a beautiful fcking counter left hook, it nearly sends jmm across the pacific.

Jmm did well but pac has adapted his no longer just a brawler, his boxing and countering is underrated.

Only reason people say pac lost is because the standard for a pac victory is a k.o. Jmm didn't get ko'ed but look at his face, from his forehead to his upper lip his whole face is swollen. Pac only suffered from one eye which was crucial. It was first cause from the mutual headbutt, at first it seem jmm suffered worst but later jmm targetted that cut to worsen it. Pac also spread jmm cuts, both battered eachothers cut well. Great fight but jmm came up short. Pac settles and does not go out to destroys, he prefers to fight these guys fights now. His countering and boxing is underrated. As long as pac does not win via k.o its a lost in the eyes of the blinds. They should be proud jmm was in a close fight and pac didn't blaze him out of the ring. He could of finish jmm in the fourth right after jmm was stunned twice or thrice. Pacs extra 16 pounds after the weight in is also slowing him down. When he moves up to 135 i hope to see the vicious side of pac again.

Believe me pac is p4p great, so is Jmm but pac did not lose to jmm. If anything jmm should retire and live with this lost, atleast he can brag about not being stopped by pac unlike the other two. His really asking for it if he moves up to 135 just to fight pac again. Maybe its just for another million pac can get him.

Yup, julius, I may not agree with Manny Steward sometimes, but when it comes to boxing in pure sense, I usually agree. That's on record cuz I've seen many threads here criticizing him but my usual reply there is, 'I'll pick M. Steward anytime over any kids here who claims to know boxing better than him.'

yea im not a fan of steward but even he has realize, you can't outbox pac you have to fight him!

[:::PSL:::]

Just read my blog: "My Take On JMM-MP 2"

Y'all will see my unbiased explainations why Pac won that fight.

[THE THIRD MAN]

115-112 Marquez, i must be a.......nevermind. Pac looked uncomfortable with Marquez and had no answer to his right hand, aside from the the 3rd round it was a solid performance from Marquez. Put it this way i don't think it was a robbery and it was a close fight, i just gave those close rounds to Marquez.
No bias from me here as i selected Pacquaio by KO 9 pre fight! I don't think Pacquaio wants to fight him again, he may be forced to.

[belakbox]

I just watched the fight for the first time and I thought Pac took it by a few rounds. The knock down was just gravy. I thought his aggression in the early rounds, solid connects and ability to block a lot of Marquez's punches through out the fight won him the fight. I'm a fan of both fighters equally. This is just the way I saw it.

[Pugilistic]

well marquez did win, just didn't get the decision he deserved

[ICB]

Pac won. He has KDd JMM 5 times already, and hurt him countless of times.

4 times not 5.

[:::PSL:::]

Pac won. He has KDd JMM 5 times already, and hurt him countless of times.

4 times not 5.

I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

[ICB]

Pac won. He has KDd JMM 5 times already, and hurt him countless of times.

4 times not 5.

I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

[:::PSL:::]

Jmm needed a knock out to win the fight coming into the 12, or alteast a knockdown to make it a draw. he was despret but he came up short. Even jim said it coming into the 12, jmm may need a knock out to win.

Notice Jmm slow down by the 10th, he had a big 8 round that took more out of him then pac.

Pac block most of jmms punches with his gloves, there was no outboxing pac. Even steward said it, you can't outbox pac you have to fight him.

Note both jim and steward said this during the fight.

This fight was close only because pac fought jmms fight. Pac has now beaten mab in his own perfered fight and he has also beaten jmm in his own countering style. Look at the third round, that punch pac landed was a counter punch. PERFECT FUCKING PUNCH, so give my boy credit. For a dubbed masterful counter puncher. JMM himself has never landed a beautiful counter like that. LOOK at the tenth round, only 20 some seconds into that round, pac again lands a beautiful fcking counter left hook, it nearly sends jmm across the pacific.

Jmm did well but pac has adapted his no longer just a brawler, his boxing and countering is underrated.

Only reason people say pac lost is because the standard for a pac victory is a k.o. Jmm didn't get ko'ed but look at his face, from his forehead to his upper lip his whole face is swollen. Pac only suffered from one eye which was crucial. It was first cause from the mutual headbutt, at first it seem jmm suffered worst but later jmm targetted that cut to worsen it. Pac also spread jmm cuts, both battered eachothers cut well. Great fight but jmm came up short. Pac settles and does not go out to destroys, he prefers to fight these guys fights now. His countering and boxing is underrated. As long as pac does not win via k.o its a lost in the eyes of the blinds. They should be proud jmm was in a close fight and pac didn't blaze him out of the ring. He could of finish jmm in the fourth right after jmm was stunned twice or thrice. Pacs extra 16 pounds after the weight in is also slowing him down. When he moves up to 135 i hope to see the vicious side of pac again.

Believe me pac is p4p great, so is Jmm but pac did not lose to jmm. If anything jmm should retire and live with this lost, atleast he can brag about not being stopped by pac unlike the other two. His really asking for it if he moves up to 135 just to fight pac again. Maybe its just for another million pac can get him.

I remember one of the commentators (Lampley or Stewart) said in round 10, "JMM needs a KO to win".

[:::PSL:::]

By watching the fight over and over and over again,... I had it one point for the Pacman. Simply because he was the aggressor through out the fight. JMM thought he can just simply throw pot shots all night from a safe distance and still win, if that was with a lesser fighter, yes the strategy would have worked, but JMM must have forgotten that it was Manny Pacquaio who he was throwing pot shots at. Pacquiao is the draw and therefore in the judges' eyes is the one to beat. If Marquez did something drastic to change to make the judges change their minds, he would have gotten the nod.

Pacman inflicted the more telling blows, and more damage throughout the fight. That was obvious in the 3rd and 10th rounds. Sure JMM staggered Pac once, but similar to what Julius said - Marquez had a lot of connects, but they were more ‘slaps’ as compared to Pacman’s more solid shots. That’s how 2 out of 3 of the judges saw it and that’s how they scored it. In my humble opinion, Pacman won the fight.

[:::PSL:::]

...And how come Beristain and Quintana are filing formal protest against Vazquez, but they're not doing the same thing against Pacquiao? More sour grapes turn into whine - LA Daily News

I know the answer ...





























































...Coz they both know the older Marquez lost fairly.