Alright lets do a boxing experiment

[Dizaster]

This is very interesting and some points are very good...
I can usually seperate my opinion of a fighter as a person, and their actual performances in the ring... Their are some fighters that I don't like much and think the word Vendetta isn't to strong a word to use against their personalities,,, but I find it very hard to pick fault in them as fighters, and give them credit for their acheivments..


I just have a small other point to make that is quite off the boxing topic, but I think may be related a little to the outline of your experiment..
Back when the Vietnam war was on and there was a LOT of protesters out there campaigning and protesting against the war, a guy (whom's name I cannot recall although I will look it up) did a big study of people who were protesting against the war.. I think they were called "conciencious objectors"
One of the interesting things he found after interviewing hundreds and hundreds of the anti-war protesters was that, only around 15 to 20% of the people he interviewed had genuine reasons for hating and being against the war.. They had weighed up both sides of the story, looked at the for's and againsts,, knew the facts,,, and in the end had conciously and logically made up their mind exactly why they were against the war. And were right in their mind to protest against it.. The other 80% had trouble giving little more than a reguratation of a couple of the main points that the protesters were shouting, as to why they were against the war.. They could not logically, and far from convincingly, tell the researcher why they were against the war.. Whats more, many protestors had a limited, if any, understanding of why America was even at war..
The theory of this may somehow tie a little into your experiement.. Or I may be crazy...

[SigmaMu]

I enjoyed watching HamHead

Even as a kid he was fun to watch

Amatuer Naz Video:

BoxingHumor.Net Archive Amatuer Naz

He was humiliated into humbleness and vice versa.
Pride comes before the fall.

He talked all this smack, lost once and never came back.

I wanted to see him come back. Champions come back from a loss.
Great topic btw.

[ICB]

Excellent topic Majesty i'll rep you after i've finished this post. I have to say before i start writing this out i do hate Naz but i'll try and be as unbiased as i can anyway. The first real Naz fight i see was his fight against Steve Robinson, i didn't see it at the time i watched a repeat of it back in 1997. Now when i watched it i was impressed with Naz's power, speed, reflexes etc. Robinson did have a bad record but what a lot of people don't realize. Is that Robinson won the title off John Davidson and the amazing thing about that was that Robinson took the fight on 48 hours notice and he won impressively which was shocking to see. Robinson then went on to defend the title 7 more times until he got battered by Naz. It has to be said though that Robinson only beat decent opposition when he was champion.

The next fight i saw of Naz's was against Said Lawal not at the time it happened but a repeat, i didn't know anything about the fight previously, and just as i was getting comfy in my chair. BOOM the first punch Naz landed and down went Lawal i was shocked to see such a little man with so much power, Lawal got up but was badly shaken and was shortly stopped after that. The next fight i saw of Naz's was Manuel Medina and as i remember it this was a very tough nights work for Naz as he did take many punches in this fight than he ever had to this point in his career. I then see Naz take apart decent fighters like Molina and Johnson in which he looked mighty impressive.

I then see his wild fight with Kevin Kelley and i think this fight did really expose how bad Naz's defense was, and how poor his balance was. Yes he did get the job done eventually but only after getting 3 knockdowns against him. I knew after this fight that he would get exposed eventually. But i have to admit after Naz took apart iron chinned Wayne McCullough i was impressed and my faith in him did comeback slightly but i still thought he had poor defense and balance. I also believe this was Naz's last fight with Bredan Ingle wasn't it ?? The next fight i saw was his fight with Paul Ingle. Now Ingle was game and gave Naz a few problems and he did bloody Naz's nose but still Ingle was getting out boxed clearly and he did hit the deck x2 i believe. But then out of nowhere Ingle started to put some real hurt on Naz in the 10th round and come close to stopping him as i remember it. But Naz showing grit come out in the next round and finished Ingle in impressive fashion.

Then i saw Naz's fight with Cesar Soto which was a very dirty fight and controversial. Naz was doing his fair share of kneeing Soto in the head and groin plus tackling him which was knocking the wind out of Soto. Soto was also doing a lot of spoiling himself by clinching, overall bad fight and i wish i would have never watched it. Oh by the way just a little bit history for you folks before i continue, Soto was the first man to beat Jose Luis Castillo he stopped Castillo in the 2nd round. The next fight i saw of Naz's was his fight with Augie Sanchez, Naz redeemed himself in this one by stopping Sanchez in exciting and impressive fashion.

Now onto MAB vs Naz now before the fight i had watched Barrera for sometime and i knew he would be the man to beat Naz. I even had a bet with someone at school that MAB would beat Naz. Naz wasn't at his best to be fair as he took Barrera far too lightly. He thought because Barrera was moving up to fight him, that his power would be too much for the smaller man aka Barrera moving up. But boy was Naz wrong as he was constantly kept off balance by Barrera's jab. Barrera boxed beautifully as he countered and and basically gave Naz a boxing lesson and i have to be honest i loved every minute of it. After the fight i knew Naz would never comeback from that. In fact i lost all the respect i had for Naz to be honest. Because he couldn't accept defeat and he basically gave up. Ok he did have one more fight after that but it was a terrible fight and the crowd was even walking out during the fight.

Final comments Naz was an exciting fighter with cat like reflexes, amazing power for his size, and good hand speed and i loved his ring entrances. But it has to be said Naz had poor boxing skills and that let him down badly against Barrera, he also had terrible balance. But overall he was good for the sport because everyone hated him and everyone wanted to see him lose and he done his job by putting asses in seats and then excitingly Knocking out his opponents.

[Shamrock]

The sad thing about the Naz V MAB fight is that the early version of Naz had the tools and the style to win. I always thought that Naseems unothadox style and the way he could put power in a punch from an unepected angle would have been too much for Marco.

I honestly believe that Naz was on his way to being a shot fighter by the time they fought. Nazeem simply expected to go in there and land that 1 big shot that would effectivley take him out of the fight. If he had boxed and moved and frustrated MAB for several rounds he may well have found that conclusive punch. To stay in range and from the start look to take MAB out with one shot was suicidal. I don't know if this was a conscious decsion from Naseem or if he really just did not have the tools anymore... On reflection I'm leaning more and more to the latter.