I know Cassamayor didnt win convincingly but....

[luvfightgame]

The title is a little confusing.

A ko is about as convincing as it gets. However, he did score a tko with a little early stoppage. I though Cass was on his way to getting beaten but he landed a great shot.

Ref stopped it a little soon. Kats was hurt, but he was trying to defend himself and could have gotten together again.

There was like 2 minutes left. There was no way Katsidis was going to survive that. That's the reason why he and his corner didn't complain about the stoppage.

I've seen fighters survive rounds when they looked like that. Seen guys get knocked down 2 and 3 times in a round and comeback strong. As far as the stoppage, I felt it was a little early. Not an outright bad stoppage, just a little early. Kats was hurt but he wasn't out, he should have taken a knee, it's falling back against the ropes that gets a fight stopped.

I think Kats showed alot of class with his comments about the stoppage. He said, I was fighting so I don't know, the ref was doing his job. Good for him.

[bikersk]

I think he did very well after he poor performance in his previous fight. used his experience and skill to his advantage and it paid off in the end. A rematch would be great but Joel would be looking for bigger money now.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Reminded me slightly of Eubank Watson 2.

[ICB]

Reminded me slightly of Eubank Watson 2.

How ?? Eubank took a sustained beating and was knocked down badly in the 11th and then out of nowhere in final seconds landed an uppercut that caused Watson permanent injuries, Watson survived and comeback out for last round and took 10 unanswered punches i don't see the comparison ?? Eubank was miles behind on points and had to pull out dramatic uppercut to save himself, where as Katsidis vs Casamayor was close and Katsidis was down x2 in 1st, and Casamayor was knocked through the ropes in the 6th, and he pulled out vicious left hook right at the start of round 10, the number of knockdowns were different, and the circumstances were different. Like i said i don't see the comparison at all do you care to explain that one to me ??

[Pugilistic]

in my opinion he won convincingly. can't be more convincing than a tko/ko win

[TitoFan]

I know I'm super-late but.....
WHAT A FRIGGING GOOD FIGHT!!!!!

Honestly, I was one of those doubters that wasn't giving Casamayor much of a chance, given his last performance. And I had seen Katsidis once before and was impressed as hell. But all credit in the world to Casamayor. He weathered the storm in the middle rounds (that knockdown in the 6th from the uppercut to the body was awesome!!)... and adjusted like the pro he is. And that crunching left that KO'ed Kats... geeeez! I felt bad for Katsidis. He gave 200% out there. Someone just needs to teach him to fight for round survival when he gets clocked like that.

FOTY candidate, as far as I'm concerned.

[belakbox]

You have to give tons of credit to a guy who gets punched out of the ring and comes back later to stop his opponent. The stoppage was on point. Casamayor had plenty in the tank to finish the job. Katsidis will be back. He's young.

[JLAQ]

The fight shouldn't have been stopped IMO.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Reminded me slightly of Eubank Watson 2.

How ?? Eubank took a sustained beating and was knocked down badly in the 11th and then out of nowhere in final seconds landed an uppercut that caused Watson permanent injuries, Watson survived and comeback out for last round and took 10 unanswered punches i don't see the comparison ?? Eubank was miles behind on points and had to pull out dramatic uppercut to save himself, where as Katsidis vs Casamayor was close and Katsidis was down x2 in 1st, and Casamayor was knocked through the ropes in the 6th, and he pulled out vicious left hook right at the start of round 10, the number of knockdowns were different, and the circumstances were different. Like i said i don't see the comparison at all do you care to explain that one to me ??

Casamayor was outworked.
The tide turned quickly

[Gandalf]

The title is a little confusing.

A ko is about as convincing as it gets. However, he did score a tko with a little early stoppage. I though Cass was on his way to getting beaten but he landed a great shot.

Ref stopped it a little soon. Kats was hurt, but he was trying to defend himself and could have gotten together again.

There was like 2 minutes left. There was no way Katsidis was going to survive that. That's the reason why he and his corner didn't complain about the stoppage.

I've seen fighters survive rounds when they looked like that. Seen guys get knocked down 2 and 3 times in a round and comeback strong. As far as the stoppage, I felt it was a little early. Not an outright bad stoppage, just a little early. Kats was hurt but he wasn't out, he should have taken a knee, it's falling back against the ropes that gets a fight stopped.

I think Kats showed alot of class with his comments about the stoppage. He said, I was fighting so I don't know, the ref was doing his job. Good for him.

I agree about the stoppage. It was somewhat premature, though its easy for me to sit back and say that. Katsidis bounced up from the kd too quickly though. A lesson to be learned for next time I guess.

[ICB]

The title is a little confusing.

A ko is about as convincing as it gets. However, he did score a tko with a little early stoppage. I though Cass was on his way to getting beaten but he landed a great shot.

Ref stopped it a little soon. Kats was hurt, but he was trying to defend himself and could have gotten together again.

There was like 2 minutes left. There was no way Katsidis was going to survive that. That's the reason why he and his corner didn't complain about the stoppage.

I've seen fighters survive rounds when they looked like that. Seen guys get knocked down 2 and 3 times in a round and comeback strong. As far as the stoppage, I felt it was a little early. Not an outright bad stoppage, just a little early. Kats was hurt but he wasn't out, he should have taken a knee, it's falling back against the ropes that gets a fight stopped.

I think Kats showed alot of class with his comments about the stoppage. He said, I was fighting so I don't know, the ref was doing his job. Good for him.

But just because you have seen boxers survive other similar circumstances doesn't mean every boxer should be allowed to carry on and take a horrible beating. Because if we went by that logic then i guarantee you would be seeing a lot of boxers get permanent injuries, Katsidis was caught flush on the chin and he got caught coming in which was even worse, Katsidis got up and had no legs in fact i wouldn't of been disappointed if the ref stopped it right there and then. Katsidis or his team didn't complain or say it was stopped too early so why are you saying that ?? wouldn't Katsidis know better than any of us here ?? he knew how he felt and if he felt it was stopped too early he would of said end of, it was a good stoppage no doubt in my mind.

[luvfightgame]

There was like 2 minutes left. There was no way Katsidis was going to survive that. That's the reason why he and his corner didn't complain about the stoppage.

I've seen fighters survive rounds when they looked like that. Seen guys get knocked down 2 and 3 times in a round and comeback strong. As far as the stoppage, I felt it was a little early. Not an outright bad stoppage, just a little early. Kats was hurt but he wasn't out, he should have taken a knee, it's falling back against the ropes that gets a fight stopped.

I think Kats showed alot of class with his comments about the stoppage. He said, I was fighting so I don't know, the ref was doing his job. Good for him.

But just because you have seen boxers survive other similar circumstances doesn't mean every boxer should be allowed to carry on and take a horrible beating. Because if we went by that logic then i guarantee you would be seeing a lot of boxers get permanent injuries, Katsidis was caught flush on the chin and he got caught coming in which was even worse, Katsidis got up and had no legs in fact i wouldn't of been disappointed if the ref stopped it right there and then. Katsidis or his team didn't complain or say it was stopped too early so why are you saying that ?? wouldn't Katsidis know better than any of us here ?? he knew how he felt and if he felt it was stopped too early he would of said end of, it was a good stoppage no doubt in my mind.

I think you overlooked some of my post. Anyway, I don't think it was a bad stoppage, but it was a little early. Kats legs were gone, but he was alert. He was still trying to fight and his body just wasn't responding. If he calmed down and went into survival mode he may have recovered. Reality is he should have taken a knee and used 8 seconds to compose himself. Then held for a few seconds.

Pavlik's legs were that shot in the first Taylor fight. Gatti has done it numerous times. I don't think you stop it right away when the legs are wobbly, cause they can comeback real fast. Pavlik took several big shots after he got up, the ref let it go a little longer and he recovered.

I don't think they should let it go on and a fighter gets a horrible beating, actually most of the time the aggressive fighter gets excited and starts missing wild shots anyway. The terms for a stoppage should be if the fighter isn't fighting back or intelligently defending himself. Kats was still doing both and the ref could have given him a little more time.

Again, not a bad stoppage but a little early. I didn't start a thread about how it was a terrible stoppage, just commenting on the fight and I think it went early.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'm not disagreeing with the stoppage, but if a fight was stopped every time a fighters legs appeared gone JMM would have lost vs. Pac 1, Pavlik may have been stopped vs. Taylor 1 and Israel Vasquez vs. Rafael Marquez would have been over in about 3 rds.!

[ICB]

I've seen fighters survive rounds when they looked like that. Seen guys get knocked down 2 and 3 times in a round and comeback strong. As far as the stoppage, I felt it was a little early. Not an outright bad stoppage, just a little early. Kats was hurt but he wasn't out, he should have taken a knee, it's falling back against the ropes that gets a fight stopped.

I think Kats showed alot of class with his comments about the stoppage. He said, I was fighting so I don't know, the ref was doing his job. Good for him.

But just because you have seen boxers survive other similar circumstances doesn't mean every boxer should be allowed to carry on and take a horrible beating. Because if we went by that logic then i guarantee you would be seeing a lot of boxers get permanent injuries, Katsidis was caught flush on the chin and he got caught coming in which was even worse, Katsidis got up and had no legs in fact i wouldn't of been disappointed if the ref stopped it right there and then. Katsidis or his team didn't complain or say it was stopped too early so why are you saying that ?? wouldn't Katsidis know better than any of us here ?? he knew how he felt and if he felt it was stopped too early he would of said end of, it was a good stoppage no doubt in my mind.

I think you overlooked some of my post. Anyway, I don't think it was a bad stoppage, but it was a little early. Kats legs were gone, but he was alert. He was still trying to fight and his body just wasn't responding. If he calmed down and went into survival mode he may have recovered. Reality is he should have taken a knee and used 8 seconds to compose himself. Then held for a few seconds.

Pavlik's legs were that shot in the first Taylor fight. Gatti has done it numerous times. I don't think you stop it right away when the legs are wobbly, cause they can comeback real fast. Pavlik took several big shots after he got up, the ref let it go a little longer and he recovered.

I don't think they should let it go on and a fighter gets a horrible beating, actually most of the time the aggressive fighter gets excited and starts missing wild shots anyway. The terms for a stoppage should be if the fighter isn't fighting back or intelligently defending himself. Kats was still doing both and the ref could have given him a little more time.

Again, not a bad stoppage but a little early. I didn't start a thread about how it was a terrible stoppage, just commenting on the fight and I think it went early.

I just think personally if a fighter doesn't complain about the stoppage then it was the right stoppage end of. Katsidis knows better than any of us he was the one taking the punishment.

[luvfightgame]

But just because you have seen boxers survive other similar circumstances doesn't mean every boxer should be allowed to carry on and take a horrible beating. Because if we went by that logic then i guarantee you would be seeing a lot of boxers get permanent injuries, Katsidis was caught flush on the chin and he got caught coming in which was even worse, Katsidis got up and had no legs in fact i wouldn't of been disappointed if the ref stopped it right there and then. Katsidis or his team didn't complain or say it was stopped too early so why are you saying that ?? wouldn't Katsidis know better than any of us here ?? he knew how he felt and if he felt it was stopped too early he would of said end of, it was a good stoppage no doubt in my mind.

I think you overlooked some of my post. Anyway, I don't think it was a bad stoppage, but it was a little early. Kats legs were gone, but he was alert. He was still trying to fight and his body just wasn't responding. If he calmed down and went into survival mode he may have recovered. Reality is he should have taken a knee and used 8 seconds to compose himself. Then held for a few seconds.

Pavlik's legs were that shot in the first Taylor fight. Gatti has done it numerous times. I don't think you stop it right away when the legs are wobbly, cause they can comeback real fast. Pavlik took several big shots after he got up, the ref let it go a little longer and he recovered.

I don't think they should let it go on and a fighter gets a horrible beating, actually most of the time the aggressive fighter gets excited and starts missing wild shots anyway. The terms for a stoppage should be if the fighter isn't fighting back or intelligently defending himself. Kats was still doing both and the ref could have given him a little more time.

Again, not a bad stoppage but a little early. I didn't start a thread about how it was a terrible stoppage, just commenting on the fight and I think it went early.

I just think personally if a fighter doesn't complain about the stoppage then it was the right stoppage end of. Katsidis knows better than any of us he was the one taking the punishment.

Personally I think if a fighter is alert he's aware that it's close to getting stopped. I don't think Kats didn't complain because he was taking too much punishment and was happy it was stopped. I think he was alert enough to know he's close to having it stopped and is disappointed but knew it was probably gonna happen. Kind of how Hatton was. He knew he was hurt, didn't complain but was extremely disappointed. I think Kats was a little less hurt than Hatton, but his body wouldn't do what he was trying to do.

I also think a lack of complaining shows maturity and sportsmanship more than the amount of punishment. Zab's antics after being ko'd by Kostya weren't because he could have taken alot more punishment, it's because he was and is immature.

A situation like that shows the makeup of a man. You can't train for getting buzzed like that, you revert to your base behavior. You could tell a fighter to take a knee but they are going off instinct, some keep punching, some cover, some turn to walk away, no telling how someone will respond till it happens. One of the reasons I love boxing!!!