Kessler's Demands

[thewhale]

Well I just read an Interview with Kessler, (its in danish) he says there is a good change he will be ranked as the official contender to Mundines WBA "title".

Mundine has already had 3 voulentary defenses against handpicked opponents and will be force to make an offical titeldefense, they will not accept Sam soliman again.

Kessler think that a belt is more important than Miranda , and states that we has no problem by facing Miranda later on.

They hope it will be in Denmark but Kessler see no problem in going down under once more if nessesary.

[WelshDevilRob]

18-03-2008

If everything goes according to the plan, my next opponent is going to be Edison Miranda 30 (KO 26) + lost 2 (KO 1). The exact date and place is still to be announced.

I have seen a few of his fights and besides being a good boxer he has got a great fighter mentality. After my opinion he has only lost one fight as he was robbed against Arthur Abraham in Germany.
I'm really looking forward to fight again even though it's a short notice.

My plan is to set up a camp in USA to get some new inputs and to acclimatise, but for now nothing is sure.
I'm really looking forward to box in the states again and even though it's far from little Denmark, I know that I will feel great.

Mikkel Kessler


Source: http://www.mikkelkessler.com/default.asp?language=enuk#
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So what changed, Mikkel?

[eagle]

Well I just read an Interview with Kessler, (its in danish) he says there is a good change he will be ranked as the official contender to Mundines WBA "title".

Mundine has already had 3 voulentary defenses against handpicked opponents and will be force to make an offical titeldefense, they will not accept Sam soliman again.

Kessler think that a belt is more important than Miranda , and states that we has no problem by facing Miranda later on.

They hope it will be in Denmark but Kessler see no problem in going down under once more if nessesary.

I hope this is the reason why. I think a Kessler v Mundine match now would be a lot closer than the first fight, especially if it is down under again.
Mundine has a big name in oz and Kess oculd make millions by fighting here, much more than the 400,000 offered to fight Miranda.

[Deanrw]

Well I just read an Interview with Kessler, (its in danish) he says there is a good change he will be ranked as the official contender to Mundines WBA "title".

Mundine has already had 3 voulentary defenses against handpicked opponents and will be force to make an offical titeldefense, they will not accept Sam soliman again.

Kessler think that a belt is more important than Miranda , and states that we has no problem by facing Miranda later on.

They hope it will be in Denmark but Kessler see no problem in going down under once more if nessesary.

Kessler is the one that stated he wanted a high profile fight on American soil. If a junior alphabet title is what he seeks, against an opponent he has already beaten, to me it still adds up to avoiding the unknown in Miranda.
It is all rinse and repeat crap to me.

[CutMeMick]

Well I just read an Interview with Kessler, (its in danish) he says there is a good change he will be ranked as the official contender to Mundines WBA "title".

Mundine has already had 3 voulentary defenses against handpicked opponents and will be force to make an offical titeldefense, they will not accept Sam soliman again.

Kessler think that a belt is more important than Miranda , and states that we has no problem by facing Miranda later on.

They hope it will be in Denmark but Kessler see no problem in going down under once more if nessesary.

Miranda is the one that stated he wanted a high profile fight on American soil. If a junior alphabet title is what he seeks, against an opponent he has already beaten, to me it still adds up to avoiding the unknown in Miranda.
It is all rinse and repeat crap to me.

So what your saying is that to you it means more if Kess fought Miranda who just got his feet wet in the SMW with 2 decent wins over Porras and Banks.
Over Kess fighting Mundine who holds a piece of the crown with the WBA belt. Who's working on his 4th defense and at least is a stable SMW fighter who holds a lot more ground the Miranda.

You can't blame Kess for wanting to regain a title. You just can't I could see if Kess opted out to fight Jaidon or Jesse Brinkley. Then I see what you mean but calling this a rinse and repeat is over the top the guy just lost a fight and is going after a title holder what's wrong with that?

[Deanrw]

Well I just read an Interview with Kessler, (its in danish) he says there is a good change he will be ranked as the official contender to Mundines WBA "title".

Mundine has already had 3 voulentary defenses against handpicked opponents and will be force to make an offical titeldefense, they will not accept Sam soliman again.

Kessler think that a belt is more important than Miranda , and states that we has no problem by facing Miranda later on.

They hope it will be in Denmark but Kessler see no problem in going down under once more if nessesary.

Miranda is the one that stated he wanted a high profile fight on American soil. If a junior alphabet title is what he seeks, against an opponent he has already beaten, to me it still adds up to avoiding the unknown in Miranda.
It is all rinse and repeat crap to me.

So what your saying is that to you it means more if Kess fought Miranda who just got his feet wet in the SMW with 2 decent wins over Porras and Banks.
Over Kess fighting Mundine who holds a piece of the crown with the WBA belt. Who's working on his 4th defense and at least is a stable SMW fighter who holds a lot more ground the Miranda.

You can't blame Kess for wanting to regain a title. You just can't I could see if Kess opted out to fight Jaidon or Jesse Brinkley. Then I see what you mean but calling this a rinse and repeat is over the top the guy just lost a fight and is going after a title holder what's wrong with that?

This whole mess has left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean Kessler came to the States looking for a high profile fight. He was offered one against an exciting, brawling, take no prisoners guy. it is not even a real alphabet title but a junior one. To me it just seems like a safer route more than a smart choice.

[CutMeMick]

Miranda is the one that stated he wanted a high profile fight on American soil. If a junior alphabet title is what he seeks, against an opponent he has already beaten, to me it still adds up to avoiding the unknown in Miranda.
It is all rinse and repeat crap to me.

So what your saying is that to you it means more if Kess fought Miranda who just got his feet wet in the SMW with 2 decent wins over Porras and Banks.
Over Kess fighting Mundine who holds a piece of the crown with the WBA belt. Who's working on his 4th defense and at least is a stable SMW fighter who holds a lot more ground the Miranda.

You can't blame Kess for wanting to regain a title. You just can't I could see if Kess opted out to fight Jaidon or Jesse Brinkley. Then I see what you mean but calling this a rinse and repeat is over the top the guy just lost a fight and is going after a title holder what's wrong with that?

This whole mess has left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean Kessler came to the States looking for a high profile fight. He was offered one against an exciting, brawling, take no prisoners guy. it is not even a real alphabet title but a junior one. To me it just seems like a safer route more than a smart choice.

What do you mean about it being a junior title.
The WBA became the WBA after the NYSC and the NBA joined.
It's argueably the more recognized as far as history goes.

[Deanrw]

So what your saying is that to you it means more if Kess fought Miranda who just got his feet wet in the SMW with 2 decent wins over Porras and Banks.
Over Kess fighting Mundine who holds a piece of the crown with the WBA belt. Who's working on his 4th defense and at least is a stable SMW fighter who holds a lot more ground the Miranda.

You can't blame Kess for wanting to regain a title. You just can't I could see if Kess opted out to fight Jaidon or Jesse Brinkley. Then I see what you mean but calling this a rinse and repeat is over the top the guy just lost a fight and is going after a title holder what's wrong with that?

This whole mess has left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean Kessler came to the States looking for a high profile fight. He was offered one against an exciting, brawling, take no prisoners guy. it is not even a real alphabet title but a junior one. To me it just seems like a safer route more than a smart choice.

What do you mean about it being a junior title.
The WBA became the WBA after the NYSC and the NBA joined.
It's argueably the more recognized as far as history goes.

I meant it by Joe is still recognized as the WBA super champ, and Mundine is the WBA world champ. While Joe has the title, Mundine's is meaningless.

[Lance Uppercut]

What do you mean about it being a junior title.
The WBA became the WBA after the NYSC and the NBA joined.
It's argueably the more recognized as far as history goes.

The WBA "regular" title is absolute garbage, and it is a joke to even refer to it as a title.

[ArawakWarria]

Big up to Lance once again...

This is the "I am keeping the money in the organization going" Title. 'Regular' & 'Super' Champion... are they going to start handing out Silver and Bronze world belts also?

As for the contract... Honestly, the demands are not overbearing, but they are distinctly different from those that are made of a person who 'wants' to make the fight happen. This is much more than weighing options. Playing with the hope that they will say no is more like it.

To say yes, then to say no is the problem for me.

I felt the same way when WKlit strung Briggs along then fought Brock in a fight that was terribly boring until the KO.

[CutMeMick]

What do you mean about it being a junior title.
The WBA became the WBA after the NYSC and the NBA joined.
It's argueably the more recognized as far as history goes.

The WBA "regular" title is absolute garbage, and it is a joke to even refer to it as a title.

I agree with you. I'll be one of the 1st to say it and I've said it in the past.

But hear me out what if Kess is really after a rematch with Joe?
Picking up the Regular title and trying to establish himself as a mandatory and or making the fight worth more.....

All I'm saying is Kess-Mundine or Kess-Miranda IMO are both as good of a fight as they can be.

[eagle]

Miranda is the one that stated he wanted a high profile fight on American soil. If a junior alphabet title is what he seeks, against an opponent he has already beaten, to me it still adds up to avoiding the unknown in Miranda.
It is all rinse and repeat crap to me.

So what your saying is that to you it means more if Kess fought Miranda who just got his feet wet in the SMW with 2 decent wins over Porras and Banks.
Over Kess fighting Mundine who holds a piece of the crown with the WBA belt. Who's working on his 4th defense and at least is a stable SMW fighter who holds a lot more ground the Miranda.

You can't blame Kess for wanting to regain a title. You just can't I could see if Kess opted out to fight Jaidon or Jesse Brinkley. Then I see what you mean but calling this a rinse and repeat is over the top the guy just lost a fight and is going after a title holder what's wrong with that?

This whole mess has left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean Kessler came to the States looking for a high profile fight. He was offered one against an exciting, brawling, take no prisoners guy. it is not even a real alphabet title but a junior one. To me it just seems like a safer route more than a smart choice.

How is it the safer route when Mundine is arguably the better fighter than Pantera?

[CutMeMick]

So what your saying is that to you it means more if Kess fought Miranda who just got his feet wet in the SMW with 2 decent wins over Porras and Banks.
Over Kess fighting Mundine who holds a piece of the crown with the WBA belt. Who's working on his 4th defense and at least is a stable SMW fighter who holds a lot more ground the Miranda.

You can't blame Kess for wanting to regain a title. You just can't I could see if Kess opted out to fight Jaidon or Jesse Brinkley. Then I see what you mean but calling this a rinse and repeat is over the top the guy just lost a fight and is going after a title holder what's wrong with that?

This whole mess has left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean Kessler came to the States looking for a high profile fight. He was offered one against an exciting, brawling, take no prisoners guy. it is not even a real alphabet title but a junior one. To me it just seems like a safer route more than a smart choice.

How is it the safer route when Mundine is arguably the better fighter than Pantera?

I'm trying to figure that out myself.

[eagle]

This whole mess has left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean Kessler came to the States looking for a high profile fight. He was offered one against an exciting, brawling, take no prisoners guy. it is not even a real alphabet title but a junior one. To me it just seems like a safer route more than a smart choice.

How is it the safer route when Mundine is arguably the better fighter than Pantera?

I'm trying to figure that out myself.

Fighting the number3 guy @ 168 in his hometown is not a safer option than fighting the 10th ranked guy in the USA.

And before we get into an argument on 168 rankings this is how i see them....
Joe C
Kessler
Mundine
Bute
Inkin
Froch
Andrade
Lacy
Bika
Miranda

[Deanrw]

So what your saying is that to you it means more if Kess fought Miranda who just got his feet wet in the SMW with 2 decent wins over Porras and Banks.
Over Kess fighting Mundine who holds a piece of the crown with the WBA belt. Who's working on his 4th defense and at least is a stable SMW fighter who holds a lot more ground the Miranda.

You can't blame Kess for wanting to regain a title. You just can't I could see if Kess opted out to fight Jaidon or Jesse Brinkley. Then I see what you mean but calling this a rinse and repeat is over the top the guy just lost a fight and is going after a title holder what's wrong with that?

This whole mess has left a bad taste in my mouth. I mean Kessler came to the States looking for a high profile fight. He was offered one against an exciting, brawling, take no prisoners guy. it is not even a real alphabet title but a junior one. To me it just seems like a safer route more than a smart choice.

How is it the safer route when Mundine is arguably the better fighter than Pantera?

So many claim that Mundine is some benchmark while they say that Miranda has beat nobody. Someone find me a guy who Mundine has beat that is an A class fighter. You won't find any. People say Miranda is overrated, OK I accept that, but so is Mundine. The only thing Mundine has going for him is a paper title. At least Miranda has lots of fans stateside, which is what Kessler was looking for, a breakthrough fight in the US.