I dont think that run beats any of the others i named. 2 greats in DLH and Hopkins. 1 good champ in Vargas, 3 also rans in Joppy, Thiam and Reid.Originally Posted by Bookkeeper
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Re: 5 hard fights in a row.
I dont think that run beats any of the others i named. 2 greats in DLH and Hopkins. 1 good champ in Vargas, 3 also rans in Joppy, Thiam and Reid.
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Re: 5 hard fights in a row.
I dont think that run beats any of the others i named. 2 greats in DLH and Hopkins. 1 good champ in Vargas, 3 also rans in Joppy, Thiam and Reid.
I think your opinion is more based on hindsight than it was at the time, DLH was the biggest fight of the decade, Reid and Vargas were the next big thing's and should have never been thrown in there with Tito, nevertheless they were champions and were never the same after their fight with Tito, Thiam was a lower case champion ( non major ) but he was no journeyman, many thought Joppy was the best MW in the world, and we all know about Hopkins. The funny thing about your post is that Hopkins is one of your greats and rightfully so, but if Trinidad would have knocked him out in that fight he would not have been a great, when you look at it that way Joppy, Vargas, Reid would have been greats if they would have beaten Tito. He took on the best competition that was around at the time, and since he ruined them people look back in hindsight and say those guy's werent greats, but that's not the tune they were singing at the time.
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The point is BHOPs last 5 fights were against proven top fighters. Reid Thiam and Joppy were potentially great fighters but as u say in hindsight were found to be not that great.I dont think that run beats any of the others i named. 2 greats in DLH and Hopkins. 1 good champ in Vargas, 3 also rans in Joppy, Thiam and Reid.
I think your opinion is more based on hindsight than it was at the time, DLH was the biggest fight of the decade, Reid and Vargas were the next big thing's and should have never been thrown in there with Tito, nevertheless they were champions and were never the same after their fight with Tito, Thiam was a lower case champion ( non major ) but he was no journeyman, many thought Joppy was the best MW in the world, and we all know about Hopkins. The funny thing about your post is that Hopkins is one of your greats and rightfully so, but if Trinidad would have knocked him out in that fight he would not have been a great, when you look at it that way Joppy, Vargas, Reid would have been greats if they would have beaten Tito. He took on the best competition that was around at the time, and since he ruined them people look back in hindsight and say those guy's werent greats, but that's not the tune they were singing at the time.
As for saying BHOP wouldnt have been great IF Tito had KO'd him, what a silly argument, the point is Nard Ko'd Tito and the rest is history. No ifs there.
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Agree with Eagle on Hopkins,..........How about Winky wrights last 5
Hopkins
Quartey
J.Taylor
Soliman
Trinidad........(far from hard I know). Throw in 2 back to backs with Mosley before those 5.
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Gotta agree. Forgot about Winky. All those are great fighters except maybe Soliman, who if nothing else is awkward as fwock!
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You have (far from hard I know) next too Trinidad but nothing next too Soliman and Quartey, I love Saddoboxing
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Trinidad fight was not as tough as Soliman fight,No way!I love Saddoboxing as wellYou have (far from hard I know) next too Trinidad but nothing next too Soliman and Quartey, I love Saddoboxing.
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I think they both, Bernard and JOe, have had some hard fights lately
The two most trying fights I've seen Joe in except maybe against Reid were against Kessler and Bika. Against Lacy he had to fight at a really high pace, and he had an injured left hand, that fight couldn't have been easy even though in terms of boxing it was.
Bernard hasn't really had a physically challenging fight where he has really taken any sort of punishment that Calzaghe did against Bika or Kessler. It has been forever since I've seen somebody consistently land hard shots on B-Hop. For Hopkins I think him fighting at such a high level will definitely help for against Calzaghe, but don't take his figh with Wright who is a fast high paced southpaw to indicate what will happen against Calzaghe, Remember that Lacy was sparring with Wright before he fought Joe.
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Re: 5 hard fights in a row.
Quartey wasn't hard. Hell, he might have been able to KO him had he pushed a little harder.
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Quartey wasn't hard. Hell, he might have been able to KO him had he pushed a little harder.
Quartey being such an easy fight I think is testament to how good Winky was.
Quartey was always underrated, and was robbed in the recent past of the Forrest fight......he still has a top notch jab and is a solid opponent.
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Re: 5 hard fights in a row.
Agreed but still Ike Quartey was too small for Winky Wright, just like Ike Quartey was too small for Fernando Vargas at Jr Middleweight. He couldn't impose his will/power like he could at Welterweight.Agreed but still Ike Quartey was too small for Winky Wright, just like Ike Quartey was too small for Fernando Vargas at Jr Middleweight. Ike Quartey could impose his power much better at Welterweight.Quartey wasn't hard. Hell, he might have been able to KO him had he pushed a little harder.
Quartey being such an easy fight I think is testament to how good Winky was.
Quartey was always underrated, and was robbed in the recent past of the Forrest fight......he still has a top notch jab and is a solid opponent.
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From the span of September 99 to September of 01 Trinidad fought 6 champions strait in a two year span, three in which never tasted defeat, and two against MW champs that were naturally bigger than him. And you don't find that impressive, PUZZLING. Add on top of that the fights took place in three different weight divisions. Eagle we know one thing for certain your no Trinidad fan.The point is BHOPs last 5 fights were against proven top fighters. Reid Thiam and Joppy were potentially great fighters but as u say in hindsight were found to be not that great.
I think your opinion is more based on hindsight than it was at the time, DLH was the biggest fight of the decade, Reid and Vargas were the next big thing's and should have never been thrown in there with Tito, nevertheless they were champions and were never the same after their fight with Tito, Thiam was a lower case champion ( non major ) but he was no journeyman, many thought Joppy was the best MW in the world, and we all know about Hopkins. The funny thing about your post is that Hopkins is one of your greats and rightfully so, but if Trinidad would have knocked him out in that fight he would not have been a great, when you look at it that way Joppy, Vargas, Reid would have been greats if they would have beaten Tito. He took on the best competition that was around at the time, and since he ruined them people look back in hindsight and say those guy's werent greats, but that's not the tune they were singing at the time.
As for saying BHOP wouldnt have been great IF Tito had KO'd him, what a silly argument, the point is Nard Ko'd Tito and the rest is history. No ifs there.
P.S Ohh and just for the record I gave you SIX fights and not FIVE, hopefully this will hold even more weight than what I have already said
Last edited by Bookkeeper; 04-04-2008 at 01:38 AM.
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Yes Tito fought 6 champions but not of the quality of the fighters Bhop fought and is fighting.From the span of September 99 to September of 01 Trinidad fought 6 champions strait in a two year span, three in which never tasted defeat, and two against MW champs that were naturally bigger than him. And you don't find that impressive, PUZZLING. Add on top of that the fights took place in three different weight divisions. Eagle we know one thing for certain your no Trinidad fan.The point is BHOPs last 5 fights were against proven top fighters. Reid Thiam and Joppy were potentially great fighters but as u say in hindsight were found to be not that great.
As for saying BHOP wouldnt have been great IF Tito had KO'd him, what a silly argument, the point is Nard Ko'd Tito and the rest is history. No ifs there.
P.S Ohh and just for the record I gave you SIX fights and not FIVE, hopefully this will hold even more weight than what I have already said
Being a champ does not necessarily mean u are great (Gavin Rees was an undefeated champ)!!!
Hopkins has fought.
Taylor x 2( Big middleweight who was the first to beat BHOP in 20 defenses. Taylor much better than Joppy, Thiam or Reid).
Tarver(BHOP moved up 15 pounds to fight the guy who beat Roy Jones and schooled him).
Wright (P4P top 5 guy who had come off wins v Mosely, Trinidad a draw with Taylor).
Now Calzaghe who is an undefeated undisputed smw champ!!!
That is more impressive then the fights trinidad fought!
To say i'm not a Tito fan is ludicrous. I loved watchin Tito fight and supported him in big fights against DLH, Vargas and shock horro Hopkins. The truth is tho that Bhops last 5 fights are against better opposition than those 6 fights u mntioned of Tito.
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