It's time for JC to take the crown from PBF?

[luvfightgame]

I would say yes if Joe beats Bhop in a dramatic fashion.

PBF is there on talent and his resume. However he hasn't won many of those in dominating fashion. The goal is to beat the other guy senseless. He doesn't seem to want to fight, just to win a decision.

In my book PBF is a bit of an underachiever. Pac is there for his tenacity and his opposition has been by far the most difficult. But considering Joe's domination of Lacy, solid win over Kessler, then winning convincingly over Bhop would earn it in my book.

Mind you it's dependent on a stellar performance against another top rated guy. And as always it's temporary. I just have a little more regard for the guys that really go for broke. In my opinion it's what PBF has been missing, although we did see some of that in the Hatton fight.

[Swice]

One of the things that I think really hurts his chances at p4p is that he has only been a champion in one division.

Plus the supermiddleweight division is not the star studded division that say a welterweight or a middleweight is.

[eagle]

When did Joe destroy Kessler? I think he won fairly easily, but destroyed? Come on Bookkeeper, winning by 3 or 4 rounds is not destroying someone its just a win.

[RP33]

PBF is there on talent and his resume. However he hasn't won many of those in dominating fashion. The goal is to beat the other guy senseless. He doesn't seem to want to fight, just to win a decision.

Floyd has dominated PLENTY of his opposition, are you kidding?! The only guys of recent that he didn't dominate.. were the two JLC fights.. Oscar (SD).. Zab Judah is borderline.. and other than that he outclassed plenty of his opposition.. i think floyd has legitimately been hurt ONCE.. and that's not counting when he broke his hand.. i think it was corley who caught him with a shot and floyd fell into the ropes and was stunned for a minute, but then came right back.. if thats not dominating fashion then i don't know what is.

[eagle]

PBF is there on talent and his resume. However he hasn't won many of those in dominating fashion. The goal is to beat the other guy senseless. He doesn't seem to want to fight, just to win a decision.

Floyd has dominated PLENTY of his opposition, are you kidding?! The only guys of recent that he didn't dominate.. were the two JLC fights.. Oscar (SD).. Zab Judah is borderline.. and other than that he outclassed plenty of his opposition.. i think floyd has legitimately been hurt ONCE.. and that's not counting when he broke his hand.. i think it was corley who caught him with a shot and floyd fell into the ropes and was stunned for a minute, but then came right back.. if thats not dominating fashion then i don't know what is.

Agreed. I think Luvfightgame needs to rewatch PBF v Corrales, Hatton, Gatti, Manfredy, Hernandez etc...... They are dominant performances over high quality opposition.

[Violent Demise]

I got Calzaghe falling out the top 10 following his loss to Hopkins

[luvfightgame]

PBF is there on talent and his resume. However he hasn't won many of those in dominating fashion. The goal is to beat the other guy senseless. He doesn't seem to want to fight, just to win a decision.

Floyd has dominated PLENTY of his opposition, are you kidding?! The only guys of recent that he didn't dominate.. were the two JLC fights.. Oscar (SD).. Zab Judah is borderline.. and other than that he outclassed plenty of his opposition.. i think floyd has legitimately been hurt ONCE.. and that's not counting when he broke his hand.. i think it was corley who caught him with a shot and floyd fell into the ropes and was stunned for a minute, but then came right back.. if thats not dominating fashion then i don't know what is.

Agreed. I think Luvfightgame needs to rewatch PBF v Corrales, Hatton, Gatti, Manfredy, Hernandez etc...... They are dominant performances over high quality opposition.

I responded to the other post but it addresses this also. Corrales, and Hatton I credit. But not his best performances on his biggest nights. Joe has so far. We'll see against Bhop.....

[Taeth]

Mayweather has only had two close fight, and they were against Castillo... He did dominate Oscar in his own way, especially in the latter rounds it was a huge mismatch. Mayweather dominated Judah from the big left hand Zab landed early in the 4th to the end of hte fight... it was domination. Mayweather vs Gatti was domination. He broke down Corley in a dominating way. Gernaro Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Baldomir, Hatton.

[eagle]

Floyd has dominated PLENTY of his opposition, are you kidding?! The only guys of recent that he didn't dominate.. were the two JLC fights.. Oscar (SD).. Zab Judah is borderline.. and other than that he outclassed plenty of his opposition.. i think floyd has legitimately been hurt ONCE.. and that's not counting when he broke his hand.. i think it was corley who caught him with a shot and floyd fell into the ropes and was stunned for a minute, but then came right back.. if thats not dominating fashion then i don't know what is.

Agreed. I think Luvfightgame needs to rewatch PBF v Corrales, Hatton, Gatti, Manfredy, Hernandez etc...... They are dominant performances over high quality opposition.

I responded to the other post but it addresses this also. Corrales, and Hatton I credit. But not his best performances on his biggest nights. Joe has so far. We'll see against Bhop.....

Corrales was 34-0 and a top 10 P4P guy when PBF fought him and FLoyd knocked him down 5 times. At that stage it was floyds biggest night and i'd say he performed pretty darn well.
The fight v DLH was huge, a much bigger night than Joe has evr seen and PBF easily outpoints a much bigger man.
Then fast forward to the Hatton fight. Another huge PPV event, PBF KO's a guy that many 'experts' said would beat him.

If thats not performing on big nights what is?

[Bookkeeper]

Agreed. I think Luvfightgame needs to rewatch PBF v Corrales, Hatton, Gatti, Manfredy, Hernandez etc...... They are dominant performances over high quality opposition.

I responded to the other post but it addresses this also. Corrales, and Hatton I credit. But not his best performances on his biggest nights. Joe has so far. We'll see against Bhop.....

Corrales was 34-0 and a top 10 P4P guy when PBF fought him and FLoyd knocked him down 5 times. At that stage it was floyds biggest night and i'd say he performed pretty darn well.
The fight v DLH was huge, a much bigger night than Joe has evr seen and PBF easily outpoints a much bigger man.
Then fast forward to the Hatton fight. Another huge PPV event, PBF KO's a guy that many 'experts' said would beat him.

If thats not performing on big nights what is?

I usually don't agree with Eagle but this time I do, great points. Don't forget the shutout against Baldomir who many said PBF was ducking when signed on for the Judah fight

[ICB]

I can't believe people are actually saying Mayweather doesn't dominate his fights ?? he has dominated 95 percent of his fights the only fights that were somewhat competitive were his fights against Castillo, Chavez. And he doesn't dominate his opponents in impressive fashion huh ?? have you ever actually seen his fights against.

Arturo Gatti
Phillip Ndou
DeMarcus Corley
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Ricky Hatton

etc.

Ok maybe he doesn't KO all of them brutally like a young Mike Tyson used to do. But he still dominates his opponents and for anyone to say different hasn't seen a lot of his fights end of.

[luvfightgame]

Agreed. I think Luvfightgame needs to rewatch PBF v Corrales, Hatton, Gatti, Manfredy, Hernandez etc...... They are dominant performances over high quality opposition.

I responded to the other post but it addresses this also. Corrales, and Hatton I credit. But not his best performances on his biggest nights. Joe has so far. We'll see against Bhop.....

Corrales was 34-0 and a top 10 P4P guy when PBF fought him and FLoyd knocked him down 5 times. At that stage it was floyds biggest night and i'd say he performed pretty darn well.
The fight v DLH was huge, a much bigger night than Joe has evr seen and PBF easily outpoints a much bigger man.
Then fast forward to the Hatton fight. Another huge PPV event, PBF KO's a guy that many 'experts' said would beat him.

If thats not performing on big nights what is?

I said Corrales was a big performance. Your opinion on ODH is hotly contested. I don't feel he did anything easily in that fight. I felt ODH actually gave the fight away.

I didn't say he gave poor performances, just that his best nights weren't on his biggest. Joe's has been. PBF left doubts in everyone's mind on ODH. If he administered a whooping like Joe did to Lacy, there wouldn't be any doubts. I am saying with a dominating performance against Bhop, it would be enough to edge Floyd "Pretty Safe" Mayweather......

[DaxxKahn]

PBF is there on talent and his resume. However he hasn't won many of those in dominating fashion. The goal is to beat the other guy senseless. He doesn't seem to want to fight, just to win a decision.

Floyd has dominated PLENTY of his opposition, are you kidding?! The only guys of recent that he didn't dominate.. were the two JLC fights.. Oscar (SD).. Zab Judah is borderline.. and other than that he outclassed plenty of his opposition.. i think floyd has legitimately been hurt ONCE.. and that's not counting when he broke his hand.. i think it was corley who caught him with a shot and floyd fell into the ropes and was stunned for a minute, but then came right back.. if thats not dominating fashion then i don't know what is.

Agreed. I think Luvfightgame needs to rewatch PBF v Corrales, Hatton, Gatti, Manfredy, Hernandez etc...... They are dominant performances over high quality opposition.

IMO Joe beats Hopkins he deserves the nod over Floyd...Beating Kessler then stepping up to fight Hopkins is a bit more then a SD with DLH and a KO over a taylor made Hatton who is the naturally smaller man....

Lets not go counting Gatti because Gatti was also abused By Baldomir and Gomez with in his next few bouts...and was battle worn from years of abuse...I love Gatti but fact is fact...Corrales was 7 years ago and Manfredy 10 so if we want to go back that far and count those bouts shit SRR still holds the P4P title and Tyson is still the baddest man in boxing....

Mayweather is a great fighter and has earned his position but that does not mean it can not be taken over....Sorry but IMO fighting once a year and playing with the WWE cast does not mean you get to keep your P4P title just because you haven't lost...Gotta be more active...

[The Fightfan]

With me I feel Joe already is number 1 P4P.He has been fighting for how long and still undefeated.Also has never ducked anyone even fought an old Chris Eubank when he didn't have to and won.Robin Reid,Omar Sheika, in their prime.

[littlebif]

If Calzaghe goes on to win against Hopkins imo he goes a very close second behind PBF.Pac man just squeezed my Marquez so aslong as Joe wins he moves past him. But if Calzaghe beats a top name after Hopkins (thats if he wins) ,and Floyd has a bad showing against De La Hoya i would have JC going to number1.