Man made Global Warming

[Kirkland Laing]

#1 You'd be stopping the Earth from doing a natural thing which it has and always will do....so go right ahead and try to stop climate change, it's not going to happen and the arrogance you show by even thinking that we could stop global warming is amazing.


#2 Plenty of scientists disagree with MAN MADE Global Warming/Climate Change. List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It's far from a consensus view and it's time everyone realized it

1. Pumping millions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere via industrial processes every day is not "natural."

2. Not one single scientist has produced a peer-reviewed paper of evidence that disputes man-made global warming as against thousands of papers that claim it exists. The people disputing it are pretty much all funded by oil companies too. At the recent UN global warming meeting the hundreds of scientists telling the world's governments to get busy were offered thousands of dollars by oil companies to become public sceptics.

Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.
Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.



Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study | Environment | The Guardian

[El Kabong]

1. Volcanoes they are natural are they not?

2. That's an outright lie regarding the peer reviewed papers of evidence


As for the UN they can go fuck themselves all they want to do is hurt the US and countries that actually try and follow procedures to help reduce emissions but when it comes to making China and India follow our lead in this venture, it just hasn't happened and it won't happen.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

[El Kabong]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

Volcanoes produce more greenhouse gases than anything man made


Kirkland if I said the Earth is round you'd argue against it.

Synchronized Chaos: Mechanisms For Major Climate Shifts

Scoop: IPCC Report slammed as “dangerous nonsense"

Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr. Research Group News

nzclimatescience.net - 030807 Marc Morano's Round-up

Carbon dioxide did not end the last Ice Age

UAH News: Your Official UAH News Source

http://www.griffith.edu.au/conferenc...pdf/ICS176.pdf

Reply to Lockwood and Fröhlich - The persistent role of the Sun in climate forcing — Spacecenter


There is no "consensus"....you go ahead drink the Kool Aid and let the government tell you what to do and think, I am sure you will be happy being sheep

[Andre]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

Volcanoes produce more greenhouse gases than anything man made

Yes they do ; when they go off which is rare.

(and they can bring jets down )

Jets on the other hand are numbered in the hundreds of thousands and they run 365.6 days a year 24 hours a day .

You have a point Lyle but just because yours is correct doesnt automatically make the other side of the coin incorrect ,there are two sides to this matter.

Although both sides that run with this whole caper as a job or politically act like extremist Fundamentalist greenies or fundamentalist industrialists ;doesnt mean we have to buy into either of their extreme views although they do both have some points of truth.

Thats like the lady down the street picking on everyone elses point of
be-ing just to make herself feel right about hers.

My neighbour and I both have green grass he waters the sh!it out of his and I keep mine shaded with trees, we have the exact same outcome and he would never for one second consider my point of view towards why I chose to leave my natural trees in place;
(I'm not even going there ).

I know in his industriuos mind it pays him to go to work and just pay for the excess water rates and sit back and stare at its benift over the weekend.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

Volcanoes produce more greenhouse gases than anything man made


Kirkland if I said the Earth is round you'd argue against it.

Synchronized Chaos: Mechanisms For Major Climate Shifts

Scoop: IPCC Report slammed as “dangerous nonsense"

Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr. Research Group News

nzclimatescience.net - 030807 Marc Morano's Round-up

Carbon dioxide did not end the last Ice Age

UAH News: Your Official UAH News Source

http://www.griffith.edu.au/conferenc...pdf/ICS176.pdf

Reply to Lockwood and Fröhlich - The persistent role of the Sun in climate forcing — Spacecenter


There is no "consensus"....you go ahead drink the Kool Aid and let the government tell you what to do and think, I am sure you will be happy being sheep

Your posts are unrelenting preposterous bs. From now on I'm just going to deal with the first piece of preposterous bs in each of your posts to save myself the time of replying to all the subsequent preposterous bs in each post.

Here's the first bit covered :

Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons of carbon dioxide per year [ 1% of yearly emissions, natural, something we can't affect] while man's activities contribute about 10 billion tons per year [99%, unnatural, something we can do something about].


A bunch of pointless links just isn't worth replying to.

http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htm

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Kirkland if I said the Earth is round you'd argue against it.

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Everyone knows the earth is not round, and that it is flat. Don't try and start an argument for the sake it it.

[Mikkel_K]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

You forgot to reply to Lyle's third point. I'll help you:

When the f*** did America "try and follow procedures to help reduce emissions" and what the f*** you mean by "follow our lead in this venture"?

Ever heard of Kyoto, Lyle?

[El Kabong]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

You forgot to reply to Lyle's third point. I'll help you:

When the f*** did America "try and follow procedures to help reduce emissions" and what the f*** you mean by "follow our lead in this venture"?

Ever heard of Kyoto, Lyle?

We'll start following that when China and India are forced to. Kyoto was a farce all those people get together and blame America and want to level the economic playing field by forcing the US to change their procedures and pollution standards while everyone else doesn't do a God damn thing.

[Mikkel_K]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

You forgot to reply to Lyle's third point. I'll help you:

When the f*** did America "try and follow procedures to help reduce emissions" and what the f*** you mean by "follow our lead in this venture"?

Ever heard of Kyoto, Lyle?

We'll start following that when China and India are forced to. Kyoto was a farce all those people get together and blame America and want to level the economic playing field by forcing the US to change their procedures and pollution standards while everyone else doesn't do a God damn thing.

Alright, while this is indeed something of a kindergarten-argument (we wont do anything, if they dont do anything), it is at least a valid point. And I understand the argument. It would hurt anyone's economy to enter into regulations that others does not have to comply with.

You do, however, realize that this is markedly different from what you said earlier, right? 'America wont do anything, when others dont do anything' and 'America is leading, but the others dont do anything' is hardly the same point.

As for 'everyone else doesn't do a God damn thing', then it's simply not true either. The EU - which btw happens to be the biggest economy in the world - has for example vowed to cut emissions by 20 percent by 2020 (vis a vis 2005). That most certainly is doing something, and doing something costly as well (I am not saying, it is the right thing, but it sure as hell is not nothing).

And that Kyoto-deal was also taken seriously by just about every civilised country out there, hell even Russia agreed to it in the end. I know you prefer to measure yourself against China and India, but is that really the kind of country you want to associate yourself with?

Finally, the Kyoto-agreement was signed in 1997. Which makes the references to Al Gore and Florida look a bit silly, don't you think?