Man made Global Warming

[Mikkel_K]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

You forgot to reply to Lyle's third point. I'll help you:

When the f*** did America "try and follow procedures to help reduce emissions" and what the f*** you mean by "follow our lead in this venture"?

Ever heard of Kyoto, Lyle?

[El Kabong]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

You forgot to reply to Lyle's third point. I'll help you:

When the f*** did America "try and follow procedures to help reduce emissions" and what the f*** you mean by "follow our lead in this venture"?

Ever heard of Kyoto, Lyle?

We'll start following that when China and India are forced to. Kyoto was a farce all those people get together and blame America and want to level the economic playing field by forcing the US to change their procedures and pollution standards while everyone else doesn't do a God damn thing.

[Mikkel_K]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

You forgot to reply to Lyle's third point. I'll help you:

When the f*** did America "try and follow procedures to help reduce emissions" and what the f*** you mean by "follow our lead in this venture"?

Ever heard of Kyoto, Lyle?

We'll start following that when China and India are forced to. Kyoto was a farce all those people get together and blame America and want to level the economic playing field by forcing the US to change their procedures and pollution standards while everyone else doesn't do a God damn thing.

Alright, while this is indeed something of a kindergarten-argument (we wont do anything, if they dont do anything), it is at least a valid point. And I understand the argument. It would hurt anyone's economy to enter into regulations that others does not have to comply with.

You do, however, realize that this is markedly different from what you said earlier, right? 'America wont do anything, when others dont do anything' and 'America is leading, but the others dont do anything' is hardly the same point.

As for 'everyone else doesn't do a God damn thing', then it's simply not true either. The EU - which btw happens to be the biggest economy in the world - has for example vowed to cut emissions by 20 percent by 2020 (vis a vis 2005). That most certainly is doing something, and doing something costly as well (I am not saying, it is the right thing, but it sure as hell is not nothing).

And that Kyoto-deal was also taken seriously by just about every civilised country out there, hell even Russia agreed to it in the end. I know you prefer to measure yourself against China and India, but is that really the kind of country you want to associate yourself with?

Finally, the Kyoto-agreement was signed in 1997. Which makes the references to Al Gore and Florida look a bit silly, don't you think?