Question for the biblical religious

[Kirkland Laing]

None of the New Testament was written till at least 50 years after Jesus died. Some event can happen in the world today and be broadcast to the world and you'll still get endless different opinions, conspiracy theories etc. within a few days of it happening. So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

[El Kabong]

Though the populus was uneducated and ignorant the metaphors(which is the only way any religious texts should be interpreted) in the Bible are good to live by.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes, but people who follow various religions should be made aware of that. Christian fundies who believe that the bible is literal truth, for instance, should have it clearly explained to them that they could just as easily follow the simple truths and fables in Grimms' fairy tales. They should definitely be kept well away from any part of government or state apparatus.

[X]

Fucking hell, Andre, how long did it take you to type all that?

[Andre]

Fucking hell, Andre, how long did it take you to type all that?

Haha

Six days , I cut and pasted for six days ,I rested on the seventh ;

[Andre]

Much of the metapors and wisdom were written or spoken through story way before the bible.The bible covers some major bits real fast ,specially the first two pages because it is only the story from the Adamic race into the Davidic line and onwards. Creation Prior to that is mentioned so briefly ,but the truth is there if you read between the lines very carefully.

Jeshua Ben Josheph was one of the Essenes. The Essenes were the highest most practiced group that served for GOOD only and wern't caught up in the them and us conflits of other humans within their race and other Isreali tribes.
Their outer shell and outer temple life and practices hid a deeper more covered group, one that chose to have no real name until you were so deep in there that it was your life in service to the ALL .
Wisdom with no name that it could never be disbanded ;that which has never formed can never be dismanteled. That is the key to why some societies work in secret.
Josheph his father was a Master worker in the temple and all their ways and his mother Mary was a temple virgin (until they got together.)
Jeshua Ben Josheph was taught from so many different religions even the Jewish funamental ones of that time. It was a part of his training within the Essenes that he knew all that had gone before him ,from the Egyptians way of the suns of God right through to the Sumarians and to the Indian 'blue race' texts from which Kristna consiousness arrives.
This man was taught all he knew and chose his own way for the greater service to all humanity,he was backed fully by many older wiser men who stayed behind the veil of the highest service to God group of that time.

The Bible first mentions GOD made all things and then light.
Within a few paragraphs it mentions the creation of another light to rule the day and a lesser light to rule the night . It states that man was made in Gods image. Color coded skin is what we have here on Earth. Now we are mixed and it no longer denotes which part of creation your spirit stems from but back then it did.


Then later in Genisis it states that 'THE LORD GOD' made the Adamic race in his own image (this is the white race of Summaria).

GOD split so that GOD could remain in the void so as to be uneffected and always remain the "I AM that what I AM... Elohim

THe jewish Kabbalists call this part of GOD that chose to go forward and create; ADAM KARDOMON. The other tribes different names like Abraham then Yehova to become Jehova.

Each ancient text from all the different areas of the world including the American Indians and Aboriginals have some amazing links in regards to the higher creative source and how it splits up into many areas and out into so many stories and ledgends.

THey all back up each others historys of formation but in different wording or viewed from different dimensional consiusness.

As it is written in your Bible God states through Jehova through Christ

"my house has many mansions".

This is the key to not judging others their own pattern or their own story lines.


THe Aboriginal dreamtime sounds like a fairy tale to us ,but when your world is ancient and run on only a belife system and is just begining to grow and spread out you have nothing to relate it to; so the evolution is spoken and passed on by feelings around the events for millions of years until writing finally grew from pictures and came into existance.
Which makes the bible quite young in the real history of the planet.

[El Kabong]

Yes, but people who follow various religions should be made aware of that. Christian fundies who believe that the bible is literal truth, for instance, should have it clearly explained to them that they could just as easily follow the simple truths and fables in Grimms' fairy tales. They should definitely be kept well away from any part of government or state apparatus.

That goes for the fundamentalists of ANY religion...Islam and Sihkism have had numerous troubles with other peoples before and I am sure more religions have had that happen that I haven't heard of...it's not JUST Christianity and Christianity shouldn't be singled out.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes, but people who follow various religions should be made aware of that. Christian fundies who believe that the bible is literal truth, for instance, should have it clearly explained to them that they could just as easily follow the simple truths and fables in Grimms' fairy tales. They should definitely be kept well away from any part of government or state apparatus.

That goes for the fundamentalists of ANY religion...Islam and Sihkism have had numerous troubles with other peoples before and I am sure more religions have had that happen that I haven't heard of...it's not JUST Christianity and Christianity shouldn't be singled out.

Yep, no question about it, all groups of nutjobs who think that they're god's chosen people shoulf be kept well away from the levers of power in any country.

[pacfan]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

[Kev]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

haha I think that was a great example of ownage.

People who think the Bible was written by illiterate, primitive, goat herding idiots have clearly never actually read it. Whether you believe in the claims made in it or not nobody who has every actually read it right through and studied it could argue that it's not one of if not the most incredible book ever written.

[pacfan]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

haha I think that was a great example of ownage.

People who think the Bible was written by illiterate, primitive, goat herding idiots have clearly never actually read it. Whether you believe in the claims made in it or not nobody who has every actually read it right through and studied it could argue that it's not one of if not the most incredible book ever written.

Yup, it's an all-time bestseller too.

[Kirkland Laing]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

What I'm pointing out is that you can be certain that almost nothing in the New Testament ever happened the way it's described, even the crucifixion of somebody who was so superhuman that he could barely persuade twelve people to follow him in an age when there were hundreds of religions with thousands of followers each.


What made Christianity the market leader in religions was the Ray Kroc* guy/s, the man/men who took the crucifiction story and the carcass of one of hundreds of religions at that time and built the elaborate fairy tale of Christianity around it, creating the market-leading franchise we see today. Christianity was just another failed startup till the Kroc guy saw the potential in the crucifixion story and went about building the franchise.


The "let he who is without sin"/"give unto Caesar" bits have their equivalents in all the major world religions. Every religion has a big bunch of moral fables/parables etc. that show the wiseness and munificence of their particular god/s. Things that push the buttons in your head that make you think, yep, this is the religion for me. This, out of the thousands of different franchises available is the one I'm going to follow.

*Ray Kroc was the salesman who walked into a California restaurant run by the McDonald brothers, saw the potential, bought them out and built replica restaurants all over America, eventually creating the multinational we all know and love today.

[pacfan]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

What I'm pointing out is that you can be certain that almost nothing in the New Testament ever happened the way it's described, even the crucifixion of somebody who was so superhuman that he could barely persuade twelve people to follow him in an age when there were hundreds of religions with thousands of followers each.


What made Christianity the market leader in religions was the Ray Kroc* guy/s, the man/men who took the crucifiction story and the carcass of one of hundreds of religions at that time and built the elaborate fairy tale of Christianity around it, creating the market-leading franchise we see today. Christianity was just another failed startup till the Kroc guy saw the potential in the crucifixion story and went about building the franchise.


The "let he who is without sin"/"give unto Caesar" bits have their equivalents in all the major world religions. Every religion has a big bunch of moral fables/parables etc. that show the wiseness and munificence of their particular god/s. Things that push the buttons in your head that make you think, yep, this is the religion for me. This, out of the thousands of different franchises available is the one I'm going to follow.

*Ray Kroc was the salesman who walked into a California restaurant run by the McDonald brothers, saw the potential, bought them out and built replica restaurants all over America, eventually creating the multinational we all know and love today.

Relax, pal, I respect everyone's opinion even if I don't agree with it.

[Andre]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

What I'm pointing out is that you can be certain that almost nothing in the New Testament ever happened the way it's described, even the crucifixion of somebody who was so superhuman that he could barely persuade twelve people to follow him in an age when there were hundreds of religions with thousands of followers each.


What made Christianity the market leader in religions was the Ray Kroc* guy/s, the man/men who took the crucifiction story and the carcass of one of hundreds of religions at that time and built the elaborate fairy tale of Christianity around it, creating the market-leading franchise we see today. Christianity was just another failed startup till the Kroc guy saw the potential in the crucifixion story and went about building the franchise.


The "let he who is without sin"/"give unto Caesar" bits have their equivalents in all the major world religions. Every religion has a big bunch of moral fables/parables etc. that show the wiseness and munificence of their particular god/s. Things that push the buttons in your head that make you think, yep, this is the religion for me. This, out of the thousands of different franchises available is the one I'm going to follow.

*Ray Kroc was the salesman who walked into a California restaurant run by the McDonald brothers, saw the potential, bought them out and built replica restaurants all over America, eventually creating the multinational we all know and love today.

From a physical standpoint or left hemishphere analytical view that is very close to what happened.
From the other side of what we are or can become there is more to it again and more sinister.
From the spiritual side that brought the message (through care and love extended) the sacred practices brought out into a form that all could finally understand without guilt ,fear or judgment if they only go natural and feel it, instead of think it all out.

The innner way home to who you really are was removed and disguised by the Roman Church so that fear shone out of the New testement, judgment and guilt.
These things are not of God,
but are of one side of the human mental /spititual makeup if the balancing side is lost to you.
They hid the way into that of side of you.
You will never find it on an external search.
(Like looking for love from someone else when your own love for you is missing)

The warnings from within scripture were turned into threats.
The warnings about just how far you can choose to fall yourself became threats so they could control you also.
The warnings about judgment became an excuse for why you can be judged in return instead of the simple warning that what you give out you also attract back to you.

These truths are still there but you have read below the lines that were juggeled to suit the conquers of the time who dumped their own religion because it was becomming unpopular for the growing Christian faith which they took on for themselves remoulded and then made a law to state that you have to practice it their way or your going to be executed by them!
This they have repeated through all history.

This same church now owns a country that is not answerable to any other country (Its the vatican).
They teach that God is outside of you and you have to go through them to get to him. False
They teach that you have to confess to them and they in Gods place will forgive you! false.
They teach that the Sabbath is Sunday instead of Saturday! more false teaching.
They are the wolves in sheeps clothing ,the ones dressed in scarlet that 'the revelations' warns you about.
There is only one way to meet your God and that is to go within yourself and search there. The ways to this they removed except for a few passages that they missed and accidently left in their book.

[Kirkland Laing]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.