Question for the biblical religious

[Andre]

Much of the metapors and wisdom were written or spoken through story way before the bible.The bible covers some major bits real fast ,specially the first two pages because it is only the story from the Adamic race into the Davidic line and onwards. Creation Prior to that is mentioned so briefly ,but the truth is there if you read between the lines very carefully.

Jeshua Ben Josheph was one of the Essenes. The Essenes were the highest most practiced group that served for GOOD only and wern't caught up in the them and us conflits of other humans within their race and other Isreali tribes.
Their outer shell and outer temple life and practices hid a deeper more covered group, one that chose to have no real name until you were so deep in there that it was your life in service to the ALL .
Wisdom with no name that it could never be disbanded ;that which has never formed can never be dismanteled. That is the key to why some societies work in secret.
Josheph his father was a Master worker in the temple and all their ways and his mother Mary was a temple virgin (until they got together.)
Jeshua Ben Josheph was taught from so many different religions even the Jewish funamental ones of that time. It was a part of his training within the Essenes that he knew all that had gone before him ,from the Egyptians way of the suns of God right through to the Sumarians and to the Indian 'blue race' texts from which Kristna consiousness arrives.
This man was taught all he knew and chose his own way for the greater service to all humanity,he was backed fully by many older wiser men who stayed behind the veil of the highest service to God group of that time.

The Bible first mentions GOD made all things and then light.
Within a few paragraphs it mentions the creation of another light to rule the day and a lesser light to rule the night . It states that man was made in Gods image. Color coded skin is what we have here on Earth. Now we are mixed and it no longer denotes which part of creation your spirit stems from but back then it did.


Then later in Genisis it states that 'THE LORD GOD' made the Adamic race in his own image (this is the white race of Summaria).

GOD split so that GOD could remain in the void so as to be uneffected and always remain the "I AM that what I AM... Elohim

THe jewish Kabbalists call this part of GOD that chose to go forward and create; ADAM KARDOMON. The other tribes different names like Abraham then Yehova to become Jehova.

Each ancient text from all the different areas of the world including the American Indians and Aboriginals have some amazing links in regards to the higher creative source and how it splits up into many areas and out into so many stories and ledgends.

THey all back up each others historys of formation but in different wording or viewed from different dimensional consiusness.

As it is written in your Bible God states through Jehova through Christ

"my house has many mansions".

This is the key to not judging others their own pattern or their own story lines.


THe Aboriginal dreamtime sounds like a fairy tale to us ,but when your world is ancient and run on only a belife system and is just begining to grow and spread out you have nothing to relate it to; so the evolution is spoken and passed on by feelings around the events for millions of years until writing finally grew from pictures and came into existance.
Which makes the bible quite young in the real history of the planet.

[pacfan]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

haha I think that was a great example of ownage.

People who think the Bible was written by illiterate, primitive, goat herding idiots have clearly never actually read it. Whether you believe in the claims made in it or not nobody who has every actually read it right through and studied it could argue that it's not one of if not the most incredible book ever written.

Yup, it's an all-time bestseller too.

[pacfan]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

What I'm pointing out is that you can be certain that almost nothing in the New Testament ever happened the way it's described, even the crucifixion of somebody who was so superhuman that he could barely persuade twelve people to follow him in an age when there were hundreds of religions with thousands of followers each.


What made Christianity the market leader in religions was the Ray Kroc* guy/s, the man/men who took the crucifiction story and the carcass of one of hundreds of religions at that time and built the elaborate fairy tale of Christianity around it, creating the market-leading franchise we see today. Christianity was just another failed startup till the Kroc guy saw the potential in the crucifixion story and went about building the franchise.


The "let he who is without sin"/"give unto Caesar" bits have their equivalents in all the major world religions. Every religion has a big bunch of moral fables/parables etc. that show the wiseness and munificence of their particular god/s. Things that push the buttons in your head that make you think, yep, this is the religion for me. This, out of the thousands of different franchises available is the one I'm going to follow.

*Ray Kroc was the salesman who walked into a California restaurant run by the McDonald brothers, saw the potential, bought them out and built replica restaurants all over America, eventually creating the multinational we all know and love today.

Relax, pal, I respect everyone's opinion even if I don't agree with it.

[Andre]

So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.

When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

What I'm pointing out is that you can be certain that almost nothing in the New Testament ever happened the way it's described, even the crucifixion of somebody who was so superhuman that he could barely persuade twelve people to follow him in an age when there were hundreds of religions with thousands of followers each.


What made Christianity the market leader in religions was the Ray Kroc* guy/s, the man/men who took the crucifiction story and the carcass of one of hundreds of religions at that time and built the elaborate fairy tale of Christianity around it, creating the market-leading franchise we see today. Christianity was just another failed startup till the Kroc guy saw the potential in the crucifixion story and went about building the franchise.


The "let he who is without sin"/"give unto Caesar" bits have their equivalents in all the major world religions. Every religion has a big bunch of moral fables/parables etc. that show the wiseness and munificence of their particular god/s. Things that push the buttons in your head that make you think, yep, this is the religion for me. This, out of the thousands of different franchises available is the one I'm going to follow.

*Ray Kroc was the salesman who walked into a California restaurant run by the McDonald brothers, saw the potential, bought them out and built replica restaurants all over America, eventually creating the multinational we all know and love today.

From a physical standpoint or left hemishphere analytical view that is very close to what happened.
From the other side of what we are or can become there is more to it again and more sinister.
From the spiritual side that brought the message (through care and love extended) the sacred practices brought out into a form that all could finally understand without guilt ,fear or judgment if they only go natural and feel it, instead of think it all out.

The innner way home to who you really are was removed and disguised by the Roman Church so that fear shone out of the New testement, judgment and guilt.
These things are not of God,
but are of one side of the human mental /spititual makeup if the balancing side is lost to you.
They hid the way into that of side of you.
You will never find it on an external search.
(Like looking for love from someone else when your own love for you is missing)

The warnings from within scripture were turned into threats.
The warnings about just how far you can choose to fall yourself became threats so they could control you also.
The warnings about judgment became an excuse for why you can be judged in return instead of the simple warning that what you give out you also attract back to you.

These truths are still there but you have read below the lines that were juggeled to suit the conquers of the time who dumped their own religion because it was becomming unpopular for the growing Christian faith which they took on for themselves remoulded and then made a law to state that you have to practice it their way or your going to be executed by them!
This they have repeated through all history.

This same church now owns a country that is not answerable to any other country (Its the vatican).
They teach that God is outside of you and you have to go through them to get to him. False
They teach that you have to confess to them and they in Gods place will forgive you! false.
They teach that the Sabbath is Sunday instead of Saturday! more false teaching.
They are the wolves in sheeps clothing ,the ones dressed in scarlet that 'the revelations' warns you about.
There is only one way to meet your God and that is to go within yourself and search there. The ways to this they removed except for a few passages that they missed and accidently left in their book.

[Kirkland Laing]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

[Kirkland Laing]

And there's no truth in any scripture, just a bunch of moral parables and fables from popular folk history of the time written by religious nuts of the time. These things were written weaved together with a bit of fire and brimstone and altered over centuries to perfect the message, to better fool people into believing all that crap and sticking with it throughout their lives and coincidentally handing their hard-earned over to whichever religion they followed.

[Kirkland Laing]

Having said all that religions can give people a handy moral code to live their life by and do help those less fortunate to some extent. But you can achieve the same thing by nonreligious means. Personally I like watching Sesame Street with my girl. I think if everybody watched Sesame Street and tried to live their lives by its moral strictures then the world would be a nicer place.

Although I have flirted with Pastafarianism. I like the beer volcanoes and stripper factories they have in their heaven. Even their hell has them, although the beer is stale and the strippers all have VD.

(google flying spaghetti monster. )

[Andre]

God is only a word if you think that God looks like the picutres from the old artists its a long way off,and yourrigt there is no such thing.

There is however a certain balance that is natural within the universe.
This forming balance can be tracked through geometry.IF you view it it is more than any coincedence could produce in a billion hits it couldnt map it out more ingeniously.
It has come to the attention of physists that molecules can dissapear and reappear from within their view.

It is only because they are looking at things only through physical eyes and analysing them from that one view point that they cant see any further into why or where exactly.
This goes the same for anyone like your self who claims only the physical exists,that there is no meaning behind anything and that coincedence caused the whole thing.
Until you choose to see from within from the depths that dominate your molecular structure being your full self on more levels than just from the 'taught' mental perception; you can only come out of one side of those two halves of your brain and that left side of yours will dominate all of what you can see.
That is a major part of the first seperation from what always is.

[brucelee]

God is only a word if you think that God looks like the picutres from the old artists its a long way off,and yourrigt there is no such thing.

There is however a certain balance that is natural within the universe.
This forming balance can be tracked through geometry.IF you view it it is more than any coincedence could produce in a billion hits it couldnt map it out more ingeniously.
It has come to the attention of physists that molecules can dissapear and reappear from within their view.

It is only because they are looking at things only through physical eyes and analysing them from that one view point that they cant see any further into why or where exactly.
This goes the same for anyone like your self who claims only the physical exists,that there is no meaning behind anything and that coincedence caused the whole thing.
Until you choose to see from within from the depths that dominate your molecular structure being your full self on more levels than just from the 'taught' mental perception; you can only come out of one side of those two halves of your brain and that left side of yours will dominate all of what you can see.
That is a major part of the first seperation from what always is.

[pacfan]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

[Andre]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

We are Gods.
We are a part of ONE that chose to seperate and go forth so as to experience other energy forms from a diffenert point of view than just static "being".
The split and the new point of view origially being male /female, then reproducing which is where the sacred geometry expression of one plus one equals three comes from.
The triangle.The trinity. Father /mother/ son/ daughter >
Outwards growing yet expanding away from the ONE and out and out finally down and down into compressed light and love energy forming into dense matter within the 3rd dimension of one in billions of solar systems.
Parts of the real you couldnt make it here into this density.

If I say to you,there is a short cut home and you say to me "there is no home" and you refuse to turn around and keep going towards the seperation ,eventually ,soon actually, you will be swimming against the tide and life in which ever form you choose at that moment will be so hard.
Eventually because what you hold dear to you externally will (cease to be in that condition); you will have to look inwards within yourself instead of continuing your search outwards as the false religions still all state you must.
MAny people when they reach the end of a physical line of something and that part of their world dissapears see why it occured and they take its lead and they are free from it from that point on.

Its like all people in this density firstly search for love from others and are addicted to what they think is real love, love that they find out side of themsleves.

Real love is found within you and yours ,it never ceases because it is unconditional ;unless you emit hatred and make yourself spin in the reverse direction to the universal way then you are destroying you and yours and that can be addictive for a while.

External love that is found outside of you is found in many ways, it is smaller pieces of the truth and it is conditional love and cannot last outside of its own condition.

All of the answers are within all of us it just takes you to want to take the first step on the journey back away from the speration from your higher self. There are stages before the turn and one of them is disbeliving everything unless you can touch it. Another is hating One or even the thought of only One !

ONE plus one equals three cannot be comprehended by those who choose only to belive that one plus one can only ever add up to two;
All rules change interdimesionally there are no boundaries ,no definates, no conditions when you choose truth.

Your eyes will tell you that we spin around a sun and they will also tell you that it all revolves around a black hole.
Black holes are not what they seem from this low point of view and from this density or from the brain which is made from within this density. Our findings and measurments are only from one point of view and from a long way down from what we trully are.
,Choose you first .

[brucelee]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

This post deserves more than a thousand reps. reps on your way based on my full ability.

[Kirkland Laing]

Andre and Pacfan, god bless both of you.

Humans are hardwired to want to believe in some kind of god or creator no matter what the evidence is to suggest otherwise. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[pacfan]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

This post deserves more than a thousand reps. reps on your way based on my full ability.

Thanks very much, pare. Actually, I can do much better if I had more time but like most people here, just can't find enough spare time for it. I hope I did.

[pacfan]

Andre and Pacfan, God bless both of you.

Humans are hardwired to want to believe in some kind of god or creator no matter what the evidence is to suggest otherwise. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Fair enough, brod. At least we can disagree without being disagreeable, or without losing our cool. So for that, you'll get a rep from me.