If Tony Beats Cotto...it doesn't mean Cotto can't beat Floyd....

[SweetPea]

I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

Gamo, normally I'd agree with you 100% about the whole "styles make fights" thing, but in this case I have to disagree.

If Cotto is a true superstar elite fighter (which I think he is), then he must beat a fighter like Margarito. And if he can't beat a fighter of Margarito's level, I don't see how he beats a fighter of Mayweather's level, regardless of style matchups.

[Onix]

I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

Gamo, normally I'd agree with you 100% about the whole "styles make fights" thing, but in this case I have to disagree.

If Cotto is a true superstar elite fighter (which I think he is), then he must beat a fighter like Margarito. And if he can't beat a fighter of Margarito's level, I don't see how he beats a fighter of Mayweather's level, regardless of style matchups.

Why is everyone hating on Tony so much? I agree that he's slower and in a sense more one dimensional but, the guy bangs! Tell me if either fighter (Floyd or Cotto) can do what is necessary to beat Marg. and if you dont know what that is ask PW, it would only take just over 1000 punches in the fight to beat Marg...niether Cotto nor Floyd have that work rate. Floyd is slick and he's quicker so thats an easier fight for him but Cotto isnt that quick and he doesnt like to run and niether have faced a puncher like Cotto period. Marg. is the hardest puncher in the ww division. Not Oscar, Zab, Mayorga, Mosley, or anyone else in that division is the puncher that Marg. is, if he was such an easy fight he would not have been the most avoided fighter in boxing.

[piye]

Don't get me wrong if anyone has a chance of beating Mayweather it's Cotto but I pick Mayweather to beat both of them.

[Master]

I agree Cotto has a better chance but I would prefer any of these two to fight and test Mayweather than ODH and Hatton.

[Macho]

THIS IS A FRESH NEWS GUYS.............................................
Well Cotto is Ready for get Rest at least now.............
" Was an exhaustion year , after of Christmas Vacation , i could train more focus and peaceful for Gomez......
" Now i know that another extremely and hard fights comes for me , i will be in rest for the next 2 or 3 weeks that fallow and then start again to the Gym "........For get ready to that fight that all people want see , i guaranties that going be a tremendous fight ".........commented Cotto in an interview in P.R.........

[Unknowndonor]

On the contrary, are the Cotto nuthuggers now scared that he will lose? LOL. Floyd beats them both, but in all fairness, styles have alot to do with fights, and Cotto would pose more of a threat to Floyd than Tony, even if he loses to Tony. I can't see Tony beating Floyd ever.

[SweetPea]

Why is everyone hating on Tony so much? I agree that he's slower and in a sense more one dimensional but, the guy bangs!

Who's hating on him? All I said was that he's not an elite superstar. Is that hating?

Tell me if either fighter (Floyd or Cotto) can do what is necessary to beat Marg. and if you dont know what that is ask PW, it would only take just over 1000 punches in the fight to beat Marg...niether Cotto nor Floyd have that work rate.

It takes over 1000 punches to beat Margarito if you're a fighter like Paul Williams, who doesn't have much power and doesn't know how to make his opponent miss. Floyd wouldn't need Williams' workrate because he would know how to make Margarito miss, and Cotto doesn't need Williams' workrate because his punches are much harder and sharper.

Floyd is slick and he's quicker so thats an easier fight for him but Cotto isnt that quick and he doesnt like to run and niether have faced a puncher like Cotto period.

I don't know what this sentence means.

Marg. is the hardest puncher in the ww division.

No he's not. He's the most active puncher in the welterweight division. Big difference.

Not Oscar, Zab, Mayorga, Mosley, or anyone else in that division is the puncher that Marg. is,

Both Cotto and Cintron punch harder than Margarito.

[Onix]

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Why is everyone hating on Tony so much? I agree that he's slower and in a sense more one dimensional but, the guy bangs!

Who's hating on him? All I said was that he's not an elite superstar. Is that hating?

what constitues an ellit fighter Rank, record, opponents faced

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Tell me if either fighter (Floyd or Cotto) can do what is necessary to beat Marg. and if you dont know what that is ask PW, it would only take just over 1000 punches in the fight to beat Marg...niether Cotto nor Floyd have that work rate.
It takes over 1000 punches to beat Margarito if you're a fighter like Paul Williams, who doesn't have much power and doesn't know how to make his opponent miss. Floyd wouldn't need Williams' workrate because he would know how to make Margarito miss, and Cotto doesn't need Williams' workrate because his punches are much harder and sharper.

I would agree with you there but if Cotto and Cintron have the same punch power, Cotto is going to need to work alittle bit more, because Marg. walked through Cintrons punches.


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Floyd is slick and he's quicker so thats an easier fight for him but Cotto isnt that quick and he doesnt like to run and niether have faced a puncher like Cotto period.
I don't know what this sentence means.

I mean to say a puncher like Marg.


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Marg. is the hardest puncher in the ww division.
No he's not. He's the most active puncher in the welterweight division. Big difference.


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Not Oscar, Zab, Mayorga, Mosley, or anyone else in that division is the puncher that Marg. is,
Both Cotto and Cintron punch harder than Margarito.

Again if Cintron and Cotto have anywhere near the same punch power, Cotto is in deep doodoo. Besides I know for sure that Cintron is not as strong as Marg. Cotto maybe but he wont KO Marg.

[zhubin]

Floyd is all about $$$...hence...he will most likely never fight Tony. If Tony upsets Cotto and makes it clear he is the man at WW....there might be a small chance he will get a fight with Mayweather...but i doubt it. Tony isn't a superstar and he doesn't have a huge fan base. Cotto is the rising superstar and he does have a huge fan base. That being said, i think Tony would be way over his head fighting Floyd. And as good a fighter as Cotto is...i can't see him beating Floyd either. Sure, Cotto has an excellent jab (and a jab is key to having success against Floyd). But he doesn't have great speed and is still open to getting hit. It would be a good fight no doubt. But Floyd is still to slick and fast for him.

[Rican]

I agree with Gamo 100%. If Cotto loses to Margo, how can Floyd say Cotto doesn't deserve to fight him, considering Floyd has ducked Margarito for years? People say Floyd defeats Margo, but that has never been proven in the ring, and we know Margo would give a better performance than Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Brusseles, Hatton, and yes, de la Hoya. If Margo beats Cotto, then he definitely deserves first crack at Floyd, but I doubt Floyd wants to fight Margo at all.

[amat]

I agree with Gamo 100%. If Cotto loses to Margo, how can Floyd say Cotto doesn't deserve to fight him, considering Floyd has ducked Margarito for years? People say Floyd defeats Margo, but that has never been proven in the ring, and we know Margo would give a better performance than Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Brusseles, Hatton, and yes, de la Hoya. If Margo beats Cotto, then he definitely deserves first crack at Floyd, but I doubt Floyd wants to fight Margo at all.

I disagree with that. I don't think Margarito - Mayweather ever happens even if Margarito somehow beats Cotto and perosnally I don't really care. I don't think Margarito would win more then 3 rounds versus Mayweather. Don't think he would fare as well as DLH or Hatton.

[SweetPea]

Again if Cintron and Cotto have anywhere near the same punch power, Cotto is in deep doodoo.

Why would Cotto be in "deep doodoo?"

Cotto is a far superior technical boxer. He might not have better one punch KO power than Cintron, but he's a far superior offensive fighter with many more weapons.

Cintron needed to be able to badly hurt Margarito with one punch to win. Cotto doesn't need to do that. He's a well-rounded boxer, not a raw puncher.

[CutMeMick]

I'm saying this now JUST in case it happens so remember this. I saw Mick mention it and I was going to make a thread about it anyway. Say Tony beats Cotto,I don't want all the Floyd nuthuggers who have gone into hiding to come here and say Cotto was over rated blah blah blah. Styles make fights. Just because Tony may beat Cotto, does not mean Floyd would be able to beat him easily too.NO WAY.

I think Tony beats Cotto but I also think Cotto does better against Floyd. Timing and composure plus best jab in boxing would give Floyd a HEART ATTACK. So don't get it twisted. Cotto is still Floyd's toughest fight out there by far.

Gamo, normally I'd agree with you 100% about the whole "styles make fights" thing, but in this case I have to disagree.

If Cotto is a true superstar elite fighter (which I think he is), then he must beat a fighter like Margarito. And if he can't beat a fighter of Margarito's level, I don't see how he beats a fighter of Mayweather's level, regardless of style matchups.

As I said in the other thread...

Emile lost to Carter when Carter had like 20 fights and Emile was already World Class. Still Emile bounced back and beat Archer, Rodriguez, Benvenutti and Tiger.

Arguello lost right in the middle of his great reign to Vilomar but went on to beat Escalera, Limon, Chacon, Mancini and so on and so on.....

People gotta understand sometimes and I've been like this myself that because a fighter looses to someone then he's done or that means he can't beat anyonelse.

Kid Gavilan, Carlos Ortiz and many fighters all lost during their reigns and some in their primes BUT what makes them great is that they bounced back and beat the then World Champ and I think the assesment made here is fair and it makes sense because it happens.

Because Tony beat Cintron that doesn't everyone else can beat him it just so happens that Tonys chin + his output is Cintrons weakness.
I'm almost certain that would Cintron have hit Zab, SSM, Cotto, Carlos and anyone else he would have either dropped them or at least shook them up cause they don't have Tonys chin.

[amat]

Fenster is right, the point is moot from the very first sentence because there is no way Cotto gets a shot at Mayweather if he loses to Margarito.

I don't think he will, I think stylistically Cotto matches up better with Margarito then he does Mayweather.

[rene69]

From what i saw in Cotto's post fight interview...he looked as if he wanted no part of Mayweather.