Question for the biblical religious

[pacfan]

One time I was once doing some work outside in a very hot tropical weather and tons of sweat started to pour down from my forehead. But what surprised me just a bit was that those sweats were perfectly deflected by my eyebrows away from the eyes, and that's the first time I really knew what they were for and the first time I saw them in action. They were meant to keep the irritating sweat away from the eyes. What a nice contraption, I thought. Then I thought of the theory of evolution. According to the idea of suvivivor of the fittest, those eyebrows evolved so that I might have a better chance of surviving and passing on my genes to the future generations? So that means I evolved those eyebrows so that I can see clearly without any sweat coming into my eyes and helped me fight off successfully my ancient competitors who didn't have one? Naw, I don't buy that. That's stupid - eyebrows giving me advantage over my competitors who didn't have one? and so I survived while they went into extinction? just because of them damn eyebrows? Who am I kiddin.'

So if they really didn't have any significant effect on our survivor why were they evolved? By accident or is it just for our convenience? 'Nature' must have loved us so much if they thought of our convenience, a concept, I think, not part of the evolution theory. I'm pretty sure there are lots of other features in our body that don't have much significant effects on our survivor but are just conveniently there for us. So 'nature' has a heart afterall.

[Andre]

One time I was once doing some work outside in a very hot tropical weather and tons of sweat started to pour down from my forehead. But what surprised me just a bit was that those sweats were perfectly deflected by my eyebrows away from the eyes, and that's the first time I really knew what they were for and the first time I saw them in action. They were meant to keep the irritating sweat away from the eyes. What a nice contraption, I thought. Then I thought of the theory of evolution. According to the idea of suvivivor of the fittest, those eyebrows evolved so that I might have a better chance of surviving and passing on my genes to the future generations? So that means I evolved those eyebrows so that I can see clearly without any sweat coming into my eyes and helped me fight off successfully my ancient competitors who didn't have one? Naw, I don't buy that. That's stupid - eyebrows giving me advantage over my competitors who didn't have one? and so I survived while they went into extinction? just because of them damn eyebrows? Who am I kiddin.'

So if they really didn't have any significant effect on our survivor why were they evolved? By accident or is it just for our convenience? 'Nature' must have loved us so much if they thought of our convenience, a concept, I think, not part of the evolution theory. I'm pretty sure there are lots of other features in our body that don't have much significant effects on our survivor but are just conveniently there for us. So 'nature' has a heart afterall.

Rep for you.well said.

How good does making love feel too!
It cant be against natural law;
only against a human interpetation of a divine guideline made into a localized law for more control over the masses by the leaders, dont you think?

[pacfan]

One time I was once doing some work outside in a very hot tropical weather and tons of sweat started to pour down from my forehead. But what surprised me just a bit was that those sweats were perfectly deflected by my eyebrows away from the eyes, and that's the first time I really knew what they were for and the first time I saw them in action. They were meant to keep the irritating sweat away from the eyes. What a nice contraption, I thought. Then I thought of the theory of evolution. According to the idea of suvivivor of the fittest, those eyebrows evolved so that I might have a better chance of surviving and passing on my genes to the future generations? So that means I evolved those eyebrows so that I can see clearly without any sweat coming into my eyes and helped me fight off successfully my ancient competitors who didn't have one? Naw, I don't buy that. That's stupid - eyebrows giving me advantage over my competitors who didn't have one? and so I survived while they went into extinction? just because of them damn eyebrows? Who am I kiddin.'

So if they really didn't have any significant effect on our survivor why were they evolved? By accident or is it just for our convenience? 'Nature' must have loved us so much if they thought of our convenience, a concept, I think, not part of the evolution theory. I'm pretty sure there are lots of other features in our body that don't have much significant effects on our survivor but are just conveniently there for us. So 'nature' has a heart afterall.

Rep for you.well said.

How good does making love feel too!
It cant be against natural law;
only against a human interpetation of a divine guideline made into a localized law for more control over the masses by the leaders, dont you think?

Yup, that's been the worst of human nature, to interpret in every ways to suit his motives.

[pacfan]

Here's another one.

Warning folks, this is PG18!

Did you notice that in almost all cultures, even the tribal ones, past or present, sex is treated as something to be ashamed of. Why do humans seem to be naturally ashamed of sex and towards opposite sex. Why does topic of sex seems to bring about natural discomfort and brings out blushings. Maybe many western people may have overcome a bit of it but believe me, even in your culture, during the times of your grandpas or great grandpas, they were taboos. Isn't that against the principle of survivor of the fittest? Isn't it better that the more a person is shameless or uninhibited about sex the better so he can just go on multiplying and multiplying to continue his progeny. You're probably aware that raw nature loves orgies - just watch the animals. But why have humans developed this natural inhibitions towards sex. This is totally incomprehensible if you see it in relation to the theory of evolution because it messes up the whole concept of survivor of the fittest. But why?

And why did humans start to cover themselves? The answer my friends I believe is that when humans were created or evolved (whichever you believe, it doesn't matter) with a higher mind, and started to have consciousness and thoughts, they were given conscience. But again what or who gave it to them? That is the question. I believe when humans were endowed with the power to think, with it came an enormous responsibility and so from somewhere, they were given the sense of morals or code of responsible conduct to live by. Of course, the early humans were not perfect so they were more beasts than higher beings. But gradually, we developed into more responsible creatures because the sense of morals or morality naturally pushed us to be more responsible beings little by little. And it is obvious that human society will eventually be a totally peaceful society because that's where we are naturally heading towards, guided by our sense of morals - the very place where God wanted us to be.

And what a conincidence, didn't Adam and Eve get the knowledge of good and evil when they ate the forbidden fruit? The bible says that 'their eyes were opened, and suddenly they felt shame at their nakedness.' 'So they strung fig leaves together around their hips to cover themselves.' No it's not coincidence. I think when human were created or evolved, he was given by no less than God that sense of morals - the knowledge of good and evil! So the bible was right after all. But I think bible should not be interpreted literally because I think it was passed by God through imperfect channels, the old prophets who received those message through symbolism. I believe bible should be interpreted correctly as it comes with full of symbolism, like the story of Adam and Eve, and highly symbolic serpent and the apple - the forbidden fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

Actually I have it all figured out, and I was planning to put out all my knowledge in my blogs... but something tells me that it is not the proper time nor proper place to reveal all my knowledge of the secrets of this world. So I have to conclude my discussion here. You guys might have been listening here to the greatest prophet of this century, perhaps only second to Andre. Let me conclude by saying that we humans are endowed with great, nay superb, mind because it is channel between God's infinite grace and us. All we need to do is to develop and open this channel fully so we can be the ultimate beings that God has planned for us from the beginning. As I've said, if there were evolution, it is clear the our evolution was guided by God in a way to reach this perfection - not by some haphazard trial and error method as theorized in the theory of evolution. I believe that when we learned to think, we reached the top of our evolution process because we learned to manipulate and master the evolution system itself, through birth controls methods, medical science which allows the unsurvivables to survive and pass their genes to their progenies, and genetic engineering. It is up to us, and not the nature this time, to develop ourselves into a perfect being so that we can tap the infinite grace of the the Highest Universal Mind. The ball is in our hands, as the job of nature has been finished. I believe we are naturally heading towards that direction because there is no other place to go. So everyone cheer up, there is something beyond in this world afterall, something we can all look up to.

- pacfan, the prophet

[brucelee]

Here's another one.

Warning folks, this is PG18!

Did you notice that in almost all cultures, even the tribal ones, past or present, sex is treated as something to be ashamed of. Why do humans seem to be naturally ashamed of sex and towards opposite sex. Why does topic of sex seems to bring about natural discomfort and brings out blushings. Maybe many western people may have overcome a bit of it but believe me, even in your culture, during the times of your grandpas or great grandpas, they were taboos. Isn't that against the principle of survivor of the fittest? Isn't it better that the more a person is shameless or uninhibited about sex the better so he can just go on multiplying and multiplying to continue his progeny. You're probably aware that raw nature loves orgies - just watch the animals. But why have humans developed this natural inhibitions towards sex. This is totally incomprehensible if you see it in relation to the theory of evolution because it messes up the whole concept of survivor of the fittest. But why?

And why did humans start to cover themselves? The answer my friends I believe is that when humans were created or evolved (whichever you believe, it doesn't matter) with a higher mind, and started to have consciousness and thoughts, they were given conscience. But again what or who gave it to them? That is the question. I believe when humans were endowed with the power to think, with it came an enormous responsibility and so from somewhere, they were given the sense of morals or code of responsible conduct to live by. Of course, the early humans were not perfect so they were more beasts than higher beings. But gradually, we developed into more responsible creatures because the sense of morals or morality naturally pushed us to be more responsible beings little by little. And it is obvious that human society will eventually be a totally peaceful society because that's where we are naturally heading towards, guided by our sense of morals - the very place where God wanted us to be.

And what a conincidence, didn't Adam and Eve get the knowledge of good and evil when they ate the forbidden fruit? No it's not coincidence. I think when human were created or evolved, he was given by no less than God that sense of morals - the knowledge of good and evil! So the bible was right after all. But I think bible should not be interpreted literally because I think it was passed by God through imperfect channels, the old prophets who received those message through symbolism. I believe bible should be interpreted correctly as it comes with full of symbolism, like the story of Adam and Eve, and highly symbolic serpent and the apple - the forbidden fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

Actually I have it all figured out, and I was planning to put out all my knowledge in my blogs... but something tells me that it is not the proper time nor proper place to reveal all my knowledge of the secrets of this world. So I have to conclude my discussion here. You guys might have been listening here to the greatest prophet of this century, perhaps only second to Andre. Let me conclude by saying that we humans are endowed with great, nay superb, mind because it is channel between God's infinite grace and us. All we need to do is to develop and open this channel fully so we can be the ultimate beings that God has planned for us from the beginning. As I've said, if there were evolution, it is clear the our evolution was guided by God in a way to reach this perfection - not by some haphazard trial and error method as theorized in the theory of evolution. I believe that when we learned to think, we reached the top of our evolution process because we learned to manipulate and master the evolution system itself, through birth controls methods, medical science which allows the unsurvivables to survive and pass their genes, and genetic engineering. It is up to us, and not the nature this time, to develop ourselves into a perfect being so that we can tap the infinite grace of the the Highest Universal Mind. The ball is in our hands, as the job of nature has been finished. I believe we are naturally heading towards that direction because there is no other place to go. So everyone cheer up, there is something beyond in this world afterall, something we can all look up to.

- pacfan, the prophet

I could give you 1 million reps for this post pacfan. Except for the "pacfan the prophet" thing, you have some sense.


Here's some reps to start it rolling.

[pacfan]

I could give you 1 million reps for this post pacfan. Except for the "pacfan the prophet" thing, you have some sense.


Here's some reps to start it rolling.

I'll be happy with about tenth of that.



I've edited that post by adding the following texts (on the part of Adam and Eve): The bible says that 'their eyes were opened, and suddenly they felt shame at their nakedness. So they strung fig leaves together around their hips to cover themselves.'

[CFH]

I just wanted to post quickly to commend you guy for presenting your differing views without resorting to the type of childish bickering that usually permeates this kind of thread. These type of theads, in my experience, usually descend rapidly to that sort of thing, but you guys have managed to have an excellent debate on the subject.
As someone who sits on the fence in regards to the issue of God/higher power etc. I find this to be a very interesting discussion. Rep has been spread.