hopkins Was Emabarrased, Outclassed And Exposed

[Bx730NY]

to be real calzaghe was the one who got exposed, calzaghe was meant to destroy hopkins, but ended up fighting to a really close decision that he should of lost.

There was no way that was a close fight unless you're a hopkins fan. And that only reason it was as close as it was is because 1) the ref didn't stop hopkins from fighting dirty 2) hopkins was holding on for dear life most of the fight and hitting low on the breaks 3) hopkins got a 5 minute break for a punch that wasn't even low and he was looking very tired at the time

When you take into account everything Joe was going up against, you have to say he's an unbelievable fighter with his ability to sdjust to anything and everything dirtnard hopkins brought into the fight.

[ICB]

to be real calzaghe was the one who got exposed, calzaghe was meant to destroy hopkins, but ended up fighting to a really close decision that he should of lost.

There was no way that was a close fight unless you're a hopkins fan. And that only reason it was as close as it was is because 1) the ref didn't stop hopkins from fighting dirty 2) hopkins was holding on for dear life most of the fight and hitting low on the breaks 3) hopkins got a 5 minute break for a punch that wasn't even low and he was looking very tired at the time

When you take into account everything Joe was going up against, you have to say he's an unbelievable fighter with his ability to sdjust to anything and everything dirtnard hopkins brought into the fight.

Hopkins got 5 minute break for a punch that wasn't even low ?? i think you need some glasses and watch the replay Calzaghe clearly low blowed Hopkins, it wasn't a hard punch but it was still low. The fight was close you can make an argument Hopkins won 3 out of the first 4 rounds and you could make an argument that he won another 2 rounds at least, add that with the knockdown and its a close fight, how about i comeback and say if you don't think the fights close you must be Calzaghe fan ?? Calzaghe was also very dirty in the fight he landed repeated rabbit shots, he hit on the break, and he landed at least 4 low blows in the fight. Everything Calzaghe was up against ?? he was the favorite he is the more comfortable at the weight than Hopkins, because Calzaghe has had to drain himself to make Super Middleweight so he is naturally Light Heavyweight, plus Hopkins is 43 so i would say Hopkins was up against the odds.

[MIKAY]

Dude are you retarded, how can someone expose hopkins at this stage in his career, hes 43 yr old bin there and done it, worn the t shirt and taken it off multiple times. lol Honestly you need to get a grip and stop talking shit, Jc won a close fight which could have gone either way, even the british commentators stated they wouldnt have argued if hopkins got the decision.

Seriously man i hope your just trying to stir up shit bcos if you actually believe what you have stated you are a retarded. All jc fanboys just need to remember bhop is a grand dad and im not joking.

All british fighters, and i mean all british fighters are totally over rated (& before you say youre biased im british born and raised in yorkshire). Fighting bums and old people and then claiming to be p4p kings, what a joke.

Prince Nas - First world class fighter fought - defeat
Hatton - Bums & old castillo - defaet - world class mayweather
Enzo Mac - Bums - first decent opponent haye knocked the fuk out
Lewis (canadion but you claim him) Old tyson, old holyfield - (still best of the bunch and loads of respect for lewis)
Fraudley harrison - just a shame to boxing
Joe C - bums - old - and overated fighter all through his career (FRANK WARREN SPECIAL)
dont even come with lacy, lacy was a future prospect but no where near in the league of the top operaters and niether is kessler, hopkins is old

See a pattern emerging

Mayweather - has fought and beat everybody in there primes
Roy Jones - Again fought and beat world class operaters in thier primes
Hopkins - Again beat winky, tarver and a whole host of others in there primes
Tito - won & lost to all prime p4p's
Delahoya - dont need to say much here, im sure you know
Jt - lost to pavlik but had the balls to fight him in his prime

see another pattern emerging - these are p4p's and future legends, just compare the the oppsition fought and then have a think before you claim jc is p4p number 1 in the world

[Spicoli]

I just want to say this.........A little gotdamn Humility and respect is needed in this forum.Two great fighters fought and Calzaghe emerged victorious....All this cock wagging and Hopkins bashing bullshit as "dirty,Rough,overrated" etc is tired and ultimately does Calzaghe no Favors.Joe deserves much respect and accolades but on equal footing so does Hopkins for his over all career and consistency throughout.Respect is seemingly lost in the light of blistfull fandom.

[CFH]

I just want to say this.........A little gotdamn Humility and respect is needed in this forum.Two great fighters fought and Calzaghe emerged victorious....All this cock wagging and Hopkins bashing bullshit as "dirty,Rough,overrated" etc is tired and ultimately does Calzaghe no Favors.Joe deserves much respect and accolades but on equal footing so does Hopkins for his over all career and consistency throughout.Respect is seemingly lost in the light of blistfull fandom.

No shit. Both fighters deserve respect, it was a close fight, which I feel Calzaghe edged, but it could've gone either way and both men deserve credit. Even though I feel that he lost, I was very impressed with Hopkins. Well, until he opened his mouth, but that's a different story.
I genuinely dislike coming to this place after a big fight, especially a close one. It always degenerates into pissing matches and childish name calling.
Fight is over, Calzaghe won, give both men their due.

[LondonBB]

I just want to say this.........A little gotdamn Humility and respect is needed in this forum.Two great fighters fought and Calzaghe emerged victorious....All this cock wagging and Hopkins bashing bullshit as "dirty,Rough,overrated" etc is tired and ultimately does Calzaghe no Favors.Joe deserves much respect and accolades but on equal footing so does Hopkins for his over all career and consistency throughout.Respect is seemingly lost in the light of blistfull fandom.

Well said mate. Very well said!

In the end hereshow i see it in an unbiased viewpoint (HATERS PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT I WRITE):

Hopkins:

Fantastic counter puncher, proves that he is a hall of famer and has had a great career. A real tough cookie with incredible defense and a very hard right hand. Took the first 3 rounds decisively with a 10,8 in the first due to a counter punching right that floored calzaghe. Tried every trick in the book, some not so legal in boxing but hes been doing that for years, thats what hes about.

Calzaghe:

Great ring craft, fantastic flowing boxer with great combos and always finds his distance, another great hall of famer with pretty much a complete game. Has been known to throw slaps at times when he starts flurrying the combos except he has some decent power punches aswell. After getting floored in the first he became very cautious and was ineffective for the next 2 rounds, but come the 4th he started regaining his confidence and composure. He adapted his style to overcome hopkins defense and countering from rounds 5-8, losing only 1 round along the way.

Round 4, the turning point:

Watch this round again! When calzaghe pulls off some combos and blocks hopkins right counter or manages to avoid it, we see him drop his hands lower and fire off more combos into hopkins whos countering becomes more innefective and resorts to clinching instead.

If anything this fight proved 2 things (i couldnt care less what haters on both sides say):

Hopkins is a hall of famer with a real defensive philly style and great countering ability. Not a pretty fighter but gets the job done. He proves at 43 he is in no way 'past it' because he put in a performance probably better than the one he did against tarver that effectively schooled tarver. At 43 years old he proves that to lose a close decission against a fighter of calzaghe's quality and athleticism that he is an all time great fighter! Even though he lost (i had it 115,113 to calzaghe) he did himself proud in the fight (the only thing that tainted it was his mouth with the whole black/white issue).

Calzaghe was proven as the winner and this was him passing his test!

He had to come to america and fight one of the most tricky fighters out there. He was down in the first yet battled back and adapted his style to start pressing the fight. In the end it was calzaghe who was indeed managing to out-tactic hopkins. The first 4 rounds hopkins was playing out his game perfectly, calzaghe adapted in the 4th and from the 5th onward he found the 'calzaghe range' and effectively illiminated the counter threat of hopkins.

In no means was it a cruise, in no means was it pretty, but in the end calzaghe past the test...this SHOULD EASILY BE ENOUGH FOR THE DOUBTERS TO START RATING HIM and many of the doubters do now rate him, but it is the HATERS who will never rate him.

There are doubters and there are haters, those are 2 different categories.

A doubter might for instance place doubt that calz will beat pavlik, but a hater will still hate on calzaghe even after he beats pavlik and will see things from a tainted perspective.

Ive videod the fight and each time it is 115,113 to calzaghe, calzaghe takes a MINIMUM OF 6 ROUNDS in the fight, i give him 7, hopkins 4 and 1 draw (which coulda gone either way).

In no way can i see calzaghe could have lost that fight on scorecards, at best would be a draw for hopkins.

I give my respect to hopkins as a fighter, but it was calzaghe the greater champ who adapted his style and imposed his ring craft on hopkins and started to dictate from rounds 5-12.

Both are brilliant fighters, hopkins definately impressed me and proved why he is a legend...but in the emd calzaghe past the test and has PROVEN that he is the real deal

[Unknowndonor]

When I read the title of this thread, I was for sure it was about the "whiteboy" comment. For that, Hopkins should be embarrased. As for the fight, the only thing exposed, was his age, and that has already been exposed before. The proper term IMO, about the fight would be outworked, or outhustled, which most everyone knew would happen.

[Beanflicker]

I don't mind if people think Calzaghe won, or if they love Calzaghe and hate Hopkins, but for coming out with such a disrespectful tirade against a legend and being completely rediculous ("exposed" at 43 years old?? Come on), you become the first person I've ever given negative rep to.


Aren't you the guy who started a thread recently about taking bias out of boxing (I may be wrong)?

[Shamrock]

I love all this rep me don't rep me stuff.... if I genuinley believe what I'm saying and present a logical, thought out argument that is not based on bias fighter hating or loving then I couldn't give a monkeys nuts if you took 5000 rep of me.

Calzaghe won a close fight that did not live up to the hype of the pre fight build up - fact. Hopkins has a legacy that in the future will not be tarnished greatly by losing to an undefeated younger champion when he was 43. The disrespectful comments he made however have certainly tarnished him as a man in my eyes.


Please don't take 5000 rep of me

[X]

The disrespectful comments he made however have certainly tarnished him as a man in my eyes.

Yes,

"If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same" ..... you'll be a man, my son.

Ol' Nard let himself down a bit on this one this time. Shame.

[WelshDevilRob]

Dude are you retarded, how can someone expose hopkins at this stage in his career, hes 43 yr old bin there and done it, worn the t shirt and taken it off multiple times. lol Honestly you need to get a grip and stop talking shit, Jc won a close fight which could have gone either way, even the british commentators stated they wouldnt have argued if hopkins got the decision.

Seriously man i hope your just trying to stir up shit bcos if you actually believe what you have stated you are a retarded. All jc fanboys just need to remember bhop is a grand dad and im not joking.

All british fighters, and i mean all british fighters are totally over rated (& before you say youre biased im british born and raised in yorkshire). Fighting bums and old people and then claiming to be p4p kings, what a joke.

Prince Nas - First world class fighter fought - defeat
Hatton - Bums & old castillo - defaet - world class mayweather
Enzo Mac - Bums - first decent opponent haye knocked the fuk out
Lewis (canadion but you claim him) Old tyson, old holyfield - (still best of the bunch and loads of respect for lewis)
Fraudley harrison - just a shame to boxing
Joe C - bums - old - and overated fighter all through his career (FRANK WARREN SPECIAL)
dont even come with lacy, lacy was a future prospect but no where near in the league of the top operaters and niether is kessler, hopkins is old

See a pattern emerging

Mayweather - has fought and beat everybody in there primes
Roy Jones - Again fought and beat world class operaters in thier primes
Hopkins - Again beat winky, tarver and a whole host of others in there primes
Tito - won & lost to all prime p4p's
Delahoya - dont need to say much here, im sure you know
Jt - lost to pavlik but had the balls to fight him in his prime

see another pattern emerging - these are p4p's and future legends, just compare the the oppsition fought and then have a think before you claim jc is p4p number 1 in the world

All British fighters are overrated? You don't know what your talking about.

The fact you use Jermain Taylor in your argument shows you know very little. From your post I'd say you been into boxing 3 years at the most.

You forgot Jimmy Wilde, Freddie Welsh, Nigel Benn, Ken Buchanan to name a few but for you to just trash a pile of good fighters is ridiculous.

As for Lennox he was born in West Ham and lived there for the first 12 years of his life (get a map and your'll see that its in London which is in England). Lennox went to the USA many times and beat all the American fighters on their turf.

[MIKAY]

Dude are you retarded, how can someone expose hopkins at this stage in his career, hes 43 yr old bin there and done it, worn the t shirt and taken it off multiple times. lol Honestly you need to get a grip and stop talking shit, Jc won a close fight which could have gone either way, even the british commentators stated they wouldnt have argued if hopkins got the decision.

Seriously man i hope your just trying to stir up shit bcos if you actually believe what you have stated you are a retarded. All jc fanboys just need to remember bhop is a grand dad and im not joking.

All british fighters, and i mean all british fighters are totally over rated (& before you say youre biased im british born and raised in yorkshire). Fighting bums and old people and then claiming to be p4p kings, what a joke.

Prince Nas - First world class fighter fought - defeat
Hatton - Bums & old castillo - defaet - world class mayweather
Enzo Mac - Bums - first decent opponent haye knocked the fuk out
Lewis (canadion but you claim him) Old tyson, old holyfield - (still best of the bunch and loads of respect for lewis)
Fraudley harrison - just a shame to boxing
Joe C - bums - old - and overated fighter all through his career (FRANK WARREN SPECIAL)
dont even come with lacy, lacy was a future prospect but no where near in the league of the top operaters and niether is kessler, hopkins is old

See a pattern emerging

Mayweather - has fought and beat everybody in there primes
Roy Jones - Again fought and beat world class operaters in thier primes
Hopkins - Again beat winky, tarver and a whole host of others in there primes
Tito - won & lost to all prime p4p's
Delahoya - dont need to say much here, im sure you know
Jt - lost to pavlik but had the balls to fight him in his prime

see another pattern emerging - these are p4p's and future legends, just compare the the oppsition fought and then have a think before you claim jc is p4p number 1 in the world

All British fighters are overrated? You don't know what your talking about.

The fact you use Jermain Taylor in your argument shows you know very little. From your post I'd say you been into boxing 3 years at the most.

You forgot Jimmy Wilde, Freddie Welsh, Nigel Benn, Ken Buchanan to name a few but for you to just trash a pile of good fighters is ridiculous.

As for Lennox he was born in West Ham and lived there for the first 12 years of his life (get a map and your'll see that its in London which is in England). Lennox went to the USA many times and beat all the American fighters on their turf.

1) Good fighters who got exposed on the world stage, how can you argue with that, nas, hatton, enzo mac etc. That comment was in regard to the thread starter who claimed hopkins got exposed and was just showing what exposed really is. HOW CAN YOU EXPOSE A 43 YEAR OLD LIVING LEGEND WHOS DONE IT ALL

2) Lewis - did you not read the rest of the sentence "still loads of respect to lewis etc"

3) the guyz you mention were fantastic - ben the dark destroyer - i was a massive fan of his, eubank etc were all great but not p4p's world class fighters. In 20 years time looking looking back at the boxers the names you will remember are the dela hoya's, tito, mayweather etc.

4) only mentioned J T because i respect him even though he lost, he had the courage to fight pavlic in his prime and then fought again after being the fuck knocked out. Nas got a beating in his prime against barrera and dissapeared, thats the difference between true quality. Well see if Joe C fights pavlic, i gurantee you he wont.

5) i give hatton more credit than Joe c - he fought his best against a prime mayweather and stayed away from FRANCK WARREN. Everybody knows what FRANK does with his fighters and so did hatton and he left him.

[Kev]

[quote=MIKAY;503131]Dude are you retarded, how can someone expose hopkins at this stage in his career, hes 43 yr old bin there and done it, worn the t shirt and taken it off multiple times. lol Honestly you need to get a grip and stop talking shit, Jc won a close fight which could have gone either way, even the british commentators stated they wouldnt have argued if hopkins got the decision.

Seriously man i hope your just trying to stir up shit bcos if you actually believe what you have stated you are a retarded. All jc fanboys just need to remember bhop is a grand dad and im not joking.

All british fighters, and i mean all british fighters are totally over rated (& before you say youre biased im british born and raised in yorkshire). Fighting bums and old people and then claiming to be p4p kings, what a joke.

Prince Nas - First world class fighter fought - defeat
Hatton - Bums & old castillo - defaet - world class mayweather
Enzo Mac - Bums - first decent opponent haye knocked the fuk out
Lewis (canadion but you claim him) Old tyson, old holyfield - (still best of the bunch and loads of respect for lewis)
Fraudley harrison - just a shame to boxing
Joe C - bums - old - and overated fighter all through his career (FRANK WARREN SPECIAL)
dont even come with lacy, lacy was a future prospect but no where near in the league of the top operaters and niether is kessler, hopkins is old

This thread made me laugh because it was so retarded.

Hatton didn't get exposed on a world stage at all, he got exposed as a full welterweight against the world's best p4p fighter. He's dominated in his own weight class and for the last three or so years has ONLY fought non British opposition. He's beaten two future Hall of Famers neither of whom was British and lost only to a guy who has beaten every other single one of his opponents as well. So by your logic Zab Judah, Corrales, De La Hoya, Genaro Hernandez and Jesus Chavez all got exposed on a world stage too.

How in the world you can list Lennox Lewis as being exposed is completely beyond me, he's the most dominant heavyweight IN THE WHOLE WORLD of the last 15 or so years. Not since Larry Holmes has a heavyweight been more dominant than him.

How you think Audley Harrison was exposed on a world stage when he never even got beyond British domestic level is also beyond me.

And Enzo Maccerinelli has never been exposed by an American fighter, he got knocked out by David Haye A BRIT!

Anyway at least according to your logic we can say that Bernard Hopkins finally got exposed on a world stage losing to Joe Calzaghe

[Pugilistic]

to be real calzaghe was the one who got exposed, calzaghe was meant to destroy hopkins, but ended up fighting to a really close decision that he should of lost.

There was no way that was a close fight unless you're a hopkins fan. And that only reason it was as close as it was is because 1) the ref didn't stop hopkins from fighting dirty 2) hopkins was holding on for dear life most of the fight and hitting low on the breaks 3) hopkins got a 5 minute break for a punch that wasn't even low and he was looking very tired at the time

When you take into account everything Joe was going up against, you have to say he's an unbelievable fighter with his ability to sdjust to anything and everything dirtnard hopkins brought into the fight.

it wasn't a close fight if your a hopkins hater, even calzaghe himself knew it was a close fight.

[LondonBB]

to be real calzaghe was the one who got exposed, calzaghe was meant to destroy hopkins, but ended up fighting to a really close decision that he should of lost.

There was no way that was a close fight unless you're a hopkins fan. And that only reason it was as close as it was is because 1) the ref didn't stop hopkins from fighting dirty 2) hopkins was holding on for dear life most of the fight and hitting low on the breaks 3) hopkins got a 5 minute break for a punch that wasn't even low and he was looking very tired at the time

When you take into account everything Joe was going up against, you have to say he's an unbelievable fighter with his ability to sdjust to anything and everything dirtnard hopkins brought into the fight.

it wasn't a close fight if your a hopkins hater, even calzaghe himself knew it was a close fight.

Nope, it was a close fight.

But calzaghe won 7 out of the 12 rounds, hopkins took 4 (possibly 5) and scored a kd aswell, meaning whatever way you look calzaghe did enough to win.

Even the neutrals all say calzaghe won, it is only the people who hate calzaghe who are still maintaining that they thought hopkins won, hbo though calzaghe won, setanta thought calzaghe won, the judges thought calzaghe won...75% of fans thought calzaghe won aswell.

Guys, give up already, the hate for joe s too much. Big deal if hes british, boxing isnt a country vs country affair, its 2 single athletes against each other.

People should really start giving joe cred now after beating lacey, eubank, reid, kessler and hopkins but its the same old crap from the haters.

The fact is that it was a close fight, bhop proved he is very tough and a great fighter, joe proved hes slightly better...thats the way it went, thats the way the judges, 75% of fans, hbo and setanta saw it.