I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.

[ICB]

Last Saturday I think Joe finally silenced all the doubters. He acquited himself well despite presenting a sub-par "boxing perform,ance.
He showed grit, determination and resiliance in overcoming the old master Hopkins and I felt that his career had been at last legitimised and he had proved all he needed to. It was an incredibly close fight, with Joe just edging it, considering the knockdown. I feel the judges were not very enthused by the tactics Hopkins employed. It was a victory for boxing as the more active and aggresive fighter was favoured over the fighter who employed foul tactics to supplement his ring generalship.


However, I'm not excited at the thought of another Calzaghe fight. I think he has taken tough fights in recent times, overcame the obstacles he's been presented with and no longer needs to fight for his legacy.
However, coming offf fights such as Lacy, Bika, Manfredo, Kessler and Hopkins I acknowledge that it will be difficult to leave at a time that is proving more fruitful finacncially than any other time in his career.
Should Joe leave now, he cannot come back in a few years because of his advanced age. This fact suggests that he may indeed fight on for a couple of more fights.

Joe has proved that he is a great fighter. No longer a good fighter, a great fighter. At times when the referee seemed to be aganst him, his corner was in disarray and panic and the crowd were near silenced, he soldieried on.
In rounds he seemed to lose early in the fight, he still rallied to the final bell, knowing he did not score the round, but choosing to fight regardless.Rising from the knockdown Joe illustrated his quality, not only in the manner that he arose, but also by learning from his mistake and preventing a reoccurence later in the fight.

Great fight Joe, but you have done enough, there is no need to continue, you've proved enough.

I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

[Fenster]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

[ICB]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

[Fenster]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

Exactly! I wanted you to make that comment

All the haters scored it for Hopkins. All the Calzaghe fans obviously scored it for Calzaghe.

So who are the neutrals - CutMeMick scored it for Calzaghe. Oumafan scored it for Calzaghe. Greig scored it for Calzaghe.. find some neutrals that scored it for Hopkins?

[ICB]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

Exactly! I wanted you to make that comment

All the haters scored it for Hopkins. All the Calzaghe fans obviously scored it for Calzaghe.

So who are the neutrals - CutMeMick scored it for Calzaghe. Oumafan scored it for Calzaghe. Greig scored it for Calzaghe.. find some neutrals that scored it for Hopkins?

Ok Fenster, Amat scored it for Hopkins he is neutral, Taeth scored it for Hopkins he is neutral, i scored it for Hopkins i am neutral i don't like Hopkins.

[Gandalf]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously.

[ICB]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously.

I said Hopkins by controversial decision meaning i didn't think Calzaghe would get the nod in a close fight. I was shocked Calzaghe got the nod against Hopkins to be honest in such a close fight as well. And Miles you were also badly wrong was you not ?? you picked Calzaghe to dominate Hopkins and i told you no one dominates Hopkins and it would comeback to haunt you. But everything i said before the fight was correct regarding the tactics of the fight.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously.

I said Hopkins by controversial decision meaning i didn't think Calzaghe would get the nod in a close fight. I was shocked Calzaghe got the nod against Hopkins to be honest in such a close fight as well. And Miles you were also badly wrong was you not ?? you picked Calzaghe to dominate Hopkins and i told you no one dominates Hopkins and it would comeback to haunt you. But everything i said before the fight was correct regarding the tactics of the fight.

With a different referee the fight would have been a lot more clear cut in favour of Calzaghe.

Because we want Hopkins to be a legend doesn't make it so.

[Gandalf]

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously.

I said Hopkins by controversial decision meaning i didn't think Calzaghe would get the nod in a close fight. I was shocked Calzaghe got the nod against Hopkins to be honest in such a close fight as well. And Miles you were also badly wrong was you not ?? you picked Calzaghe to dominate Hopkins and i told you no one dominates Hopkins and it would comeback to haunt you. But everything i said before the fight was correct regarding the tactics of the fight.

Yes, I said Calzaghe would beat up Hopkins. Ive no qualms with that. Hopkins was sharper and also dirtier than I was prepared for. But ultimately JC outlanded Hopkins and in most of the rounds. In the championship rounds Calzaghe was increasing the pressure and landing harder blows. Hopkins NEEDED those timeouts just to get through it. Calzaghe wasnt there to spoil, he brought the fight to Hopkins and he threw and landed a lot more.

I dont see what you are arguing really.

[ICB]

You are coming across like a hater. You also picked Hopkins to win, did you not? And dont talk the rubbish about going back and forth on who would win, ultimately you picked Hopkins. When it came to the actual fight you were watching it and hoping your pick would come off. You got it wrong and yet its your arrogance that doesnt allow you to accept your pick was simply wrong. Get over it!! Seriously.

I said Hopkins by controversial decision meaning i didn't think Calzaghe would get the nod in a close fight. I was shocked Calzaghe got the nod against Hopkins to be honest in such a close fight as well. And Miles you were also badly wrong was you not ?? you picked Calzaghe to dominate Hopkins and i told you no one dominates Hopkins and it would comeback to haunt you. But everything i said before the fight was correct regarding the tactics of the fight.

Yes, I said Calzaghe would beat up Hopkins. Ive no qualms with that. Hopkins was sharper and also dirtier than I was prepared for. But ultimately JC outlanded Hopkins and in most of the rounds. In the championship rounds Calzaghe was increasing the pressure and landing harder blows. Hopkins NEEDED those timeouts just to get through it. Calzaghe wasnt there to spoil, he brought the fight to Hopkins and he threw and landed a lot more.

I dont see what you are arguing really.

What im arguing is that what i implied is that really i thought Calzaghe would win like 7-5 but i didn't think he would get the decision in USA. Thats why i picked Hopkins by "Controversial" decision do you see what i mean now ??

[donnydarkoIRL]

I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

[donnydarkoIRL]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

So Calzaghe's punches weren't effective, but Hopkins just edged it in your book?
That doesn't really compute.

[ICB]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

So Calzaghe's punches weren't effective, but Hopkins just edged it in your book?
That doesn't really compute.

How does that not compute ?? its pretty obvious what i said Calzaghe was mostly throwing pitter patter shots, where as Hopkins was landing solid right hands throughout most of the fight, go back and watch in slow motion how many of Calzaghe's flurries actually missed, and look back how ineffective they were. Calzaghe made it close by out working Hopkins badly in some rounds where you had no choice to give Calzaghe the round just based on sheer work rate when Hopkins got lazy and tired and his out put dropped in the later rounds.

[ICB]

I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

Round; 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Hopkins 4/16 8/28 10/45 7/28 10/41 12/33 12/41 15/38 13/41 14/54 11/51 11/52
Joe.C 7/35 13/45 23/70 16/56 16/58 19/58 24/64 22/65 25/61 23/63 20/57 24/75

That gap!