I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

[donnydarkoIRL]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

So Calzaghe's punches weren't effective, but Hopkins just edged it in your book?
That doesn't really compute.

[ICB]

So far Ive ONLY seen Calzaghe haters score it for Hopkins.

Im not a Calzaghe hater i don't even like Hopkins and i scored it for Hopkins based on cleaner effective punching. Calzaghe's pitter patter stuff wasn't effective and the knockdown just edged it for Hopkins IMO. And Fenster your comment is such an easy comeback for me, all i have to say is all the people that have scored it for Calzaghe that i have seen is Calzaghe fans.

So Calzaghe's punches weren't effective, but Hopkins just edged it in your book?
That doesn't really compute.

How does that not compute ?? its pretty obvious what i said Calzaghe was mostly throwing pitter patter shots, where as Hopkins was landing solid right hands throughout most of the fight, go back and watch in slow motion how many of Calzaghe's flurries actually missed, and look back how ineffective they were. Calzaghe made it close by out working Hopkins badly in some rounds where you had no choice to give Calzaghe the round just based on sheer work rate when Hopkins got lazy and tired and his out put dropped in the later rounds.

[ICB]

I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

Round; 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Hopkins 4/16 8/28 10/45 7/28 10/41 12/33 12/41 15/38 13/41 14/54 11/51 11/52
Joe.C 7/35 13/45 23/70 16/56 16/58 19/58 24/64 22/65 25/61 23/63 20/57 24/75

That gap!

[ICB]

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

Round

123456789101112Hopkins4/168/2810/457/2810/4112/3312/4115/3813/4114/5411/5111/5225%29%22%25%24%36%29%39%32%26%22%21%Calzaghe7/3513/4523/7016/5616/5819/5824/6422/6525/6123/6320/5724/7520%29%33%29%28%33%38%34%41%37%35%32%

That gap!

Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

[bikersk]

I don't see why he shouldn't keep on fighting if he thinks he can still do it, going out with a controversial win over 43 year old Bernard Hopkins isn't a good way to go out. Although saying that Calzaghe is starting to look little worn out IMO, like i said in the other thread his combo's aren't as fast or good as they used to be, and his jab seems to be lacking the snap it used to have as well. And Fenster just because some people scored it for Hopkins doesn't mean there haters, they obviously liked the cleaner more effective punches from Hopkins like i did.

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

Doesn't matter how solid the punch is, if it lands it scores. Sure Hopkins landed a few hard shots but that doesn't win the fight if he doesn't get the KO. Hopkins punch output was not what it needed to be to win the fight.

[ICB]

Calzaghe has said for the past 3 years or so that this is the time at which he should retire.

Cleaner more effective punching scores well when done in adequate volume. It cannot compensate for a gap as bl;atantly obvious as there was between Calzaghe and Hopkins.
Coupled with the tactics employed by Hopkins the judges scores are completely understandable and justifiable.

What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

Doesn't matter how solid the punch is, if it lands it scores. Sure Hopkins landed a few hard shots but that doesn't win the fight if he doesn't get the KO. Hopkins punch output was not what it needed to be to win the fight.

Well im more of the kind of guy that scores 10 solid shots rather than 25 pitter patter shots.

[bikersk]

The rules of the sport are clear. 1 clean punch scores 1 point. 1 hard punch doesn't score more.

[donnydarkoIRL]

What gap ?? Calzaghe was throwing more but a lot of his punches were landing on the arms and gloves, where as Hopkins punches were much more effective and cleaner, Calzaghe never really landed a solid shot on Hopkins except some straight lefts later in the fight.

Round

123456789101112Hopkins4/168/2810/457/2810/4112/3312/4115/3813/4114/5411/5111/5225%29%22%25%24%36%29%39%32%26%22%21%Calzaghe7/3513/4523/7016/5616/5819/5824/6422/6525/6123/6320/5724/7520%29%33%29%28%33%38%34%41%37%35%32%

That gap!

Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth mnore than a certain amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

[ICB]

Round

123456789101112Hopkins4/168/2810/457/2810/4112/3312/4115/3813/4114/5411/5111/5225%29%22%25%24%36%29%39%32%26%22%21%Calzaghe7/3513/4523/7016/5616/5819/5824/6422/6525/6123/6320/5724/7520%29%33%29%28%33%38%34%41%37%35%32%

That gap!

Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth a large amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

When Hopkins threw most of the time he was landing, i couldn't care less what the punch stats say i looked back at the exchanges in slow motion and Hopkins punches were much more effective. Mayweather in the ODLH fight was only throwing 35 punches a round yet he still won clear cut, by making his punches count then he threw and thats what its all about, its no good throwing 90 punches a round if hardly any of them are effective IMO anyway.

[Gandalf]

Round

123456789101112Hopkins4/168/2810/457/2810/4112/3312/4115/3813/4114/5411/5111/5225%29%22%25%24%36%29%39%32%26%22%21%Calzaghe7/3513/4523/7016/5616/5819/5824/6422/6525/6123/6320/5724/7520%29%33%29%28%33%38%34%41%37%35%32%

That gap!

Donny that was poorly copy and pasted i can't make that out bro, and secondly why are you using punch stats which by the looks of it you are. Why don't you just go with your own opinion and actually look back and watch how many of Calzaghe's punches missed, Calzaghe never really landed a solid hurtful shot on Hopkins until the later rounds, punch stats are very mis leading in some cases.

I repaired the punch stats.

And I am going by my own opinion.
A solid powershot may be worth mnore than a certain amount of lightly landing punches, but they cannot compensate for a complete lack of activity and volume.

That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Calzaghe missed with nearly as many punches as Hopkins threw.
He landed more than Hopkins did.

Exactly. Calzaghe was always the busier man and landing more. And his punches were becoming more significant as the fight wore on. Hopkins wasnt doing much towards the end.

[Deanrw]

The rules of the sport are clear. 1 clean punch scores 1 point. 1 hard punch doesn't score more.

That is true with Amateur Scoring but not with professional scoring. Professional scoring is more open to interpretation. One good punch can equal an X amount punches of less quality.


That being said, I thought Joe did enough to win Saturday.