Father and Son - 20years of lost potential?

[Beanflicker]

I agree with the above, that Calzaghe's success has been due to the unique style he has developed with his father.

When we see a mediocre or unknown trainer do great things with a fighter, its just natural to think "well, Imagine how great they would be with a respected, world class trainer." I think Jermain Taylor's short stint with Manny Steward tells us thats not always the way it works.

[Master]

Joe is talented and would have succeeded with who ever he was with. He could and should have come to the US much earlier and is only now fulfilling his potential. He is on par if not better than Lennox and Naz, yet they earned and achieved more than Joe.

[GodofBoxing]

Joe is talented and would have succeeded with who ever he was with. He could and should have come to the US much earlier and is only now fulfilling his potential. He is on par if not better than Lennox and Naz, yet they earned and achieved more than Joe.

Lennox very debatable...but Naz? wtf are some people smoking

[Tysonbruno]

Joe is talented and would have succeeded with who ever he was with. He could and should have come to the US much earlier and is only now fulfilling his potential. He is on par if not better than Lennox and Naz, yet they earned and achieved more than Joe.

Lennox very debatable...but Naz? wtf are some people smoking

Naz made an estimated £50m from boxing he made 15 defences in 6 years against former champs present champs and fighters who were good and went on to be champs.He was number 1 featherweight from 1997-2001 and reached Ring magazine P4P#4 or 5.

[Saddo]

well if it aint broke dont fix it.... lets not forget who Joe was in the ring with last weekend Hopkins is a legend

as Naz has been brought up i think is is an ideal example of a boxer and Trainer who had a good and successful relationship in him and Ingle... then Naz left him went to top trainer Manny Steward who tatally fucked up his style.

So like i said if it aint broke dont fix it

[Bomp]

well if it aint broke dont fix it.... lets not forget who Joe was in the ring with last weekend Hopkins is a legend

as Naz has been brought up i think is is an ideal example of a boxer and Trainer who had a good and successful relationship in him and Ingle... then Naz left him went to top trainer Manny Steward who tatally fucked up his style.

So like i said if it aint broke dont fix it

Agreed. But I do think it's possible to have input from a more experienced trainer, as long as the chemistry's right and he stays in the background. Taylor did say that they still use some of manny's methods, perhaps if Manny took a secondary role without being overbearing and not actually in the corner during the fights he could have made an improvement on what already works.

[GodofBoxing]

Joe is talented and would have succeeded with who ever he was with. He could and should have come to the US much earlier and is only now fulfilling his potential. He is on par if not better than Lennox and Naz, yet they earned and achieved more than Joe.

Lennox very debatable...but Naz? wtf are some people smoking

Naz made an estimated £50m from boxing he made 15 defences in 6 years against former champs present champs and fighters who were good and went on to be champs.He was number 1 featherweight from 1997-2001 and reached Ring magazine P4P#4 or 5.

er....jc has made 20+ defences, undisputed super middle weight chapion for 10 years, new lightweight champion, definitely top 3 p4p fighter...and basically never lost...

you compare that record with naz then you must be losing your marbles...