Anyone Want To Doubt Joe Calzaghe Again??

[Deanrw]

He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

Kessler is a textbook guy, looks great on paper. I said this in another thread. Kessler fights like a guy who was trained to be a fighter. Pavlik is a fighter. Pavlik has 5X the meanness and intensity level of Kessler in the ring.

People call Pavlik robotic, but lets look it the truth. It is kessler who sat there round by round, doing the exact same thing against joe, afraid to devoid himself from his gameplan even though he was getting out worked plain and simple. He had no plan B, he follows textbook boxing rules and does not know or refuses to grit down.

Pavlik can square up in the middle of the ring also and jab, bomb with straight rights. If it does not work he can toss you into the rope and rip the shit out of you.

I tell you all right now. Kessler is over-rated by so many. He lacks in the intangibles in my book. He looks pretty in there, but he does not have the fire in his belly. Heart and desire will carry you in this game. If you lack that spark in any way, you are vulnerable.

Joe has that spark. Pavlik also has that spark.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Calzaghe's best win was against Kessler, a rematch would be nice but i doubt Joe goes there again, he will fight Jones next and i give RJJ a real chance against a sluggish Joe Calzaghe. I'm not won over yet!

[Kirkland Laing]

He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

Kessler is a textbook guy, looks great on paper. I said this in another thread. Kessler fights like a guy who was trained to be a fighter. Pavlik is a fighter. Pavlik has 5X the meanness and intensity level of Kessler in the ring.

People call Pavlik robotic, but lets look it the truth. It is kessler who sat there round by round, doing the exact same thing against joe, afraid to devoid himself from his gameplan even though he was getting out worked plain and simple. He had no plan B, he follows textbook boxing rules and does not know or refuses to grit down.

Pavlik can square up in the middle of the ring also and jab, bomb with straight rights. If it does not work he can toss you into the rope and rip the shit out of you.

I tell you all right now. Kessler is over-rated by so many. He lacks in the intangibles in my book. He looks pretty in there, but he does not have the fire in his belly. Heart and desire will carry you in this game. If you lack that spark in any way, you are vulnerable.

Joe has that spark. Pavlik also has that spark.

Joe beats Pavlik like a gong and then Pavlik becomes the new Jeff Lacy.

[Deanrw]

He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

Kessler is a textbook guy, looks great on paper. I said this in another thread. Kessler fights like a guy who was trained to be a fighter. Pavlik is a fighter. Pavlik has 5X the meanness and intensity level of Kessler in the ring.

People call Pavlik robotic, but lets look it the truth. It is kessler who sat there round by round, doing the exact same thing against joe, afraid to devoid himself from his gameplan even though he was getting out worked plain and simple. He had no plan B, he follows textbook boxing rules and does not know or refuses to grit down.

Pavlik can square up in the middle of the ring also and jab, bomb with straight rights. If it does not work he can toss you into the rope and rip the shit out of you.

I tell you all right now. Kessler is over-rated by so many. He lacks in the intangibles in my book. He looks pretty in there, but he does not have the fire in his belly. Heart and desire will carry you in this game. If you lack that spark in any way, you are vulnerable.

Joe has that spark. Pavlik also has that spark.

Joe beats Pavlik like a gong and then Pavlik becomes the new Jeff Lacy.

Fanboy Blindness if you consider Pavlik anything like Jeff lacy.

You just proved your mindset to me.

[Kirkland Laing]

Kessler is a textbook guy, looks great on paper. I said this in another thread. Kessler fights like a guy who was trained to be a fighter. Pavlik is a fighter. Pavlik has 5X the meanness and intensity level of Kessler in the ring.

People call Pavlik robotic, but lets look it the truth. It is kessler who sat there round by round, doing the exact same thing against joe, afraid to devoid himself from his gameplan even though he was getting out worked plain and simple. He had no plan B, he follows textbook boxing rules and does not know or refuses to grit down.

Pavlik can square up in the middle of the ring also and jab, bomb with straight rights. If it does not work he can toss you into the rope and rip the shit out of you.

I tell you all right now. Kessler is over-rated by so many. He lacks in the intangibles in my book. He looks pretty in there, but he does not have the fire in his belly. Heart and desire will carry you in this game. If you lack that spark in any way, you are vulnerable.

Joe has that spark. Pavlik also has that spark.

Joe beats Pavlik like a gong and then Pavlik becomes the new Jeff Lacy.

Fanboy Blindness if you consider Pavlik anything like Jeff lacy.

You just proved your mindset to me.

Pavlik is not a gifted boxer. He comes in in straight lines and throws punches, that's it. It's only a matter of time till somebody boxes his head off.

[AdamGB]

Hopkins won the fight IMO and he also got exposed for his lack of defense.

agree. hopkinns gott robbed. he score a knocck down. hurt crappy in the 8thh. cal nevver hurt hop

It's not about 'hurting' them son... this is a sport... if you tickle some one with a glass jaw you're going to 'hurt' them but does that mean that you have out worked or out boxed them?

I'd just take my lumps and give both fighters credit if I were you...

[southakron314]

Calzaghe's best win was against Kessler, a rematch would be nice but i doubt Joe goes there again, he will fight Jones next and i give RJJ a real chance against a sluggish Joe Calzaghe. I'm not won over yet!

Yes he can be up there. I see Hopkins as better than him. I think Pavlik is a way harder puncher. A way better boxer. Knows how to control the ring better. He is more adaptive. He is a hell of allot meaner. He has a better chin. He beat the boxer in the rematch by boxing. He beat the living shit out of the most feared middle weight in the world and took him on the chin numerous times and never really was hurt. Pavlik has the making of the next Hagler. He has the power. He has the skill and the chin.And he has the conditioning. But the most important thing is his will and his drive to succeed. All of that together makes a great champion if not a legend like his predecessors.

[southakron314]

Joe beats Pavlik like a gong and then Pavlik becomes the new Jeff Lacy.

Fanboy Blindness if you consider Pavlik anything like Jeff lacy.

You just proved your mindset to me.

Pavlik is not a gifted boxer. He comes in in straight lines and throws punches, that's it. It's only a matter of time till somebody boxes his head off.

Thats the thing.No one can. He has fought great competition and beat the ever living shit out of them. He beat Taylor who beat Hopkins twice and Wright. He out boxed a boxer and out punched the best puncher at 160 & 168.

[Althugz]

I've never been a JC fan, in fact I was a self-proclaimed JC hater in the past lol Just everything about him didn't sit well with me. His padded record, his deluded personality and that real arrogance due to his padded CV, his technique. Everything was not to like for me.
Even when he beat Lacy it was like 'whatever'.
Then I picked Kessler against him and he boxed Kessler so well that, like Mick, I had to come back on here and give him his props. He was fantastic against a live, peak champion....but again I find myself disliking him after Saturday..He fought to a controversial decision with Bhop at age 43, he showed that piss-poor technique that Manny Steward described as ''amateur'' but i've seen Amateurs in their first fight punch better than that! He also called out Roy Jones who, if he beats, will be 40 years old. I kinda just find myself now praying that Roy Jones turns the clock back and knocks Calzaghe the fuck out. I dunno why. I think it may be due to the fact that Roy Jones is such a legend and I don't want his name on Calzaghe's CV so that he can trick people in the future into thinking that he beat the best because he certainly didn't in anybodies prime apart from Kessler.
I've tried not to feel like that and i did want Calzaghe's 'respect' streak to last more than one match with me (lol) but I just have to do a full 180 again and deny his greatness because of the above.

[Kirkland Laing]

Fanboy Blindness if you consider Pavlik anything like Jeff lacy.

You just proved your mindset to me.

Pavlik is not a gifted boxer. He comes in in straight lines and throws punches, that's it. It's only a matter of time till somebody boxes his head off.

Thats the thing.No one can. He has fought great competition and beat the ever living shit out of them. He beat Taylor who beat Hopkins twice and Wright. He out boxed a boxer and out punched the best puncher at 160 & 168.

It's only a matter of time till somebody outboxes him.

[Kel]

Hopkins won the fight IMO and he also got exposed for his lack of defense.

agree. hopkinns gott robbed. he score a knocck down. hurt crappy in the 8thh. cal nevver hurt hop

Your the dumbest fuck to walk this earth VD. You don't get hurt in a fight so that means you never lost it? Good fucking theory there tosspot!

[LondonBB]

Heres my take on who calzaghe can face:

1. RJJ, i go for calzaghe win
2. Pavlik, i go for calzghe win
3. Tarver (pointless, not much money in it and not much credit) calzaghe win
4. Dawson (time to take away dawson's 0 so he becomes the next 'jeff lacy', wait and see pre fight where all the calzaghe haters make the predictions that dawson will easily overwhelm JC, yet after the fight theyll say 'but who did dawson really fight? NAAHH...HES REALLY A BUM') calzaghe win
5. Taylor, calzaghe win, complete waste of JC's time seeing as taylor has been beaten by pavlik twice already now.

Those are the fighters who he could face. Id like to see him face 2 of those fighters:

Definately against pavlik. Pavlik is a v good fighter, hungry, powerful, exciting and great ko ratio, the clash of styles will be great to watch in the ring, if joe pulls off his slick boxing skills and combo's pavlik is in for trouble and will go down, but if pavlik can come forward and hit joe hard then joe will go down. I predict joe will tie him up in the middle of the ring like he did against lacy and fire in combos, start brawling with pavlik and be too fast for him, calzaghe to win this one. After calzaghe wins, the haters will still not rate calzaghe, theyll still find an excuse or some silly reason.

Id like him to face RJJ aswell because itll be a big money fight as it is 2 complete legends of the sport fighting against each other, something that calzaghe offered jones years ago but jones never wanted to fight him (probably not ducking joe, probably for financial reasons as it was a fight that was risky for jones yet wouldnt have had particularly much money involved so wasnt worth putting on for RJJ). Now though in millenium stadium cardiff it can be a huge fight with 70,000 fans at the stadium and millions at home. Huge payday for both fighters and a chance for RJJ if he wins to go down in the top 3 fighters of ALL TIME!!! In my opinion.

But i predict a calzaghe win and then the excuse from the haters will be that jones is past it.

One thing people seem to CONVENIENTLY FORGET PMSL IS THAT A 42 YEAR OLD HOPKINS BASHED THE SH*T OUT OF TARVER, A 41 YEAR OLD HOPKINS BASHED THE SH*T OUT OF WINKY!

Id say that at light heavy bernard is better than he was at middle weight, the fact hes 43 means he used even more dirty tactics than he did when he was younger. This was a better hopkins than the one who fought winky and tarver YET HE GOT BEAT! HE GOT BEAT BY THE

''WEAK, SLAPPING, NON STRAIGHT PUNCHING, BRAWLING WHITE BOY''

Wouldnt be ironic if the ''weak, slapping, non straight punching, brawling white boy'' turns out to beat any of the fighters america can put against him, beating the likes of eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik then retire 47,0,0 undisputed champ at 2 weights, holder of the belts for 12 friggin years and 24 odd title defenses...HAHAHAHA it reminds me of something that was said in world war 2:

There is a v famous quote of a speech made by hitler and a response by winston churchill, hitler said in a speech that the nazis would crush britain as if they were ringing a chickens neck...Winston churchill cleverly replied 'HAHA, SOME CHICKEN, SOME NECK!!!'

I think that just about sums it up perfectly, if people wanna call JC a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching brawler'... then he goes and beats every single great champ in the world including the best the us has to offer aswell...i think my response is:

''HAHA, SOME WEAK, SLAPPING, NON STRAIGHT PUNCHING BRAWLER INDEED''

So, what would that make the people saying this garbage about joe? Well simple really, it would make them look the same as hitler did saying all the garbage to great britain...and whats that?

A HATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spicoli]

Heres my take on who calzaghe can face:

1. RJJ, i go for calzaghe win
2. Pavlik, i go for calzghe win
3. Tarver (pointless, not much money in it and not much credit) calzaghe win
4. Dawson (time to take away dawson's 0 so he becomes the next 'jeff lacy', wait and see pre fight where all the calzaghe haters make the predictions that dawson will easily overwhelm JC, yet after the fight theyll say 'but who did dawson really fight? NAAHH...HES REALLY A BUM') calzaghe win
5. Taylor, calzaghe win, complete waste of JC's time seeing as taylor has been beaten by pavlik twice already now.

Those are the fighters who he could face. Id like to see him face 2 of those fighters:

Definately against pavlik. Pavlik is a v good fighter, hungry, powerful, exciting and great ko ratio, the clash of styles will be great to watch in the ring, if joe pulls off his slick boxing skills and combo's pavlik is in for trouble and will go down, but if pavlik can come forward and hit joe hard then joe will go down. I predict joe will tie him up in the middle of the ring like he did against lacy and fire in combos, start brawling with pavlik and be too fast for him, calzaghe to win this one. After calzaghe wins, the haters will still not rate calzaghe, theyll still find an excuse or some silly reason.

Id like him to face RJJ aswell because itll be a big money fight as it is 2 complete legends of the sport fighting against each other, something that calzaghe offered jones years ago but jones never wanted to fight him (probably not ducking joe, probably for financial reasons as it was a fight that was risky for jones yet wouldnt have had particularly much money involved so wasnt worth putting on for RJJ). Now though in millenium stadium cardiff it can be a huge fight with 70,000 fans at the stadium and millions at home. Huge payday for both fighters and a chance for RJJ if he wins to go down in the top 3 fighters of ALL TIME!!! In my opinion.

But i predict a calzaghe win and then the excuse from the haters will be that jones is past it.

One thing people seem to CONVENIENTLY FORGET PMSL IS THAT A 42 YEAR OLD HOPKINS BASHED THE SH*T OUT OF TARVER, A 41 YEAR OLD HOPKINS BASHED THE SH*T OUT OF WINKY!

Id say that at light heavy bernard is better than he was at middle weight, the fact hes 43 means he used even more dirty tactics than he did when he was younger. This was a better hopkins than the one who fought winky and tarver YET HE GOT BEAT! HE GOT BEAT BY THE

''WEAK, SLAPPING, NON STRAIGHT PUNCHING, BRAWLING WHITE BOY''

Wouldnt be ironic if the ''weak, slapping, non straight punching, brawling white boy'' turns out to beat any of the fighters america can put against him, beating the likes of eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik then retire 47,0,0 undisputed champ at 2 weights, holder of the belts for 12 friggin years and 24 odd title defenses...HAHAHAHA it reminds me of something that was said in world war 2:

There is a v famous quote of a speech made by hitler and a response by winston churchill, hitler said in a speech that the nazis would crush britain as if they were ringing a chickens neck...Winston churchill cleverly replied 'HAHA, SOME CHICKEN, SOME NECK!!!'

I think that just about sums it up perfectly, if people wanna call JC a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching brawler'... then he goes and beats every single great champ in the world including the best the us has to offer aswell...i think my response is:

''HAHA, SOME WEAK, SLAPPING, NON STRAIGHT PUNCHING BRAWLER INDEED''

So, what would that make the people saying this garbage about joe? Well simple really, it would make them look the same as hitler did saying all the garbage to great britain...and whats that?

A HATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For a minute......You had some credit. Your caught up on the "hater" mantra my man.?

[LondonBB]

Not saying your one of the haters mate

Of course we can have an opinion on who will win a fight. Of course someone isnt a hater if they dont think calzaghe will win, thats not what im saying at all mate.

Id say calzaghe vs pavlik is 62/38 in calzaghes favour. Thats mainly because of the style clashes suiting joe.

Id say calzaghe vs jones is 60/40 in calzaghes favour.

BUT id say that a peak RJJ vs a peak JC (what we saw in the lacy fight) would be one hell of a fight, infact make that a totally unbelievable match up! I dont know how the styles would clash except there would be action involved, in terms of the way the fight would go im tempted to say it is 60/40 in RJJ's favour but im also tempted to say 50/50 aswell because i wouldnt have been suprised at all if calzaghe won that (at his prime aswell).

So i'll split and say it would be 55/45 in RJJ favour of winning that match up if it occured.

But would i mean by 'hater' is letting prejudices get in the way of judging an athlete.

For instance, i think JC would beat pavlik, 60/40 chance in my opinion, perhaps slightly higher...but if JC gets beaten by pavlik then i will not dislike pavlik (i like pavlik as a fighter anyway), i will rate him higher than JC and will definately retract my words about JC being better than pavlik...thats how i work.

I think if someone is calling a 45,0,0 fighter a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching, lucky brawler', it stinks of hate all over it. Afterall how can someone with the record of joe's and opponents hes fought be called that?

He can be criticised for throwing light flurries of punches at times, sure he can! But a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching, lucky brawler' thats pathetic.

It like saying that ali was a p*ssy because he had his jaw broke...its nonsensicle, only an ali hater would say that.

[Althugz]

Definately against pavlik. Pavlik is a v good fighter, hungry, powerful, exciting and great ko ratio, the clash of styles will be great to watch in the ring, if joe pulls off his slick boxing skills and combo's pavlik is in for trouble and will go down, but if pavlik can come forward and hit joe hard then joe will go down. I predict joe will tie him up in the middle of the ring like he did against lacy and fire in combos, start brawling with pavlik and be too fast for him, calzaghe to win this one. After calzaghe wins, the haters will still not rate calzaghe, theyll still find an excuse or some silly !

I think you're slighty deluded if you think that Calzaghe's best chance of beating Pavlik is to 'brawl' with him. He'll get knocked the fuck out.
I think he beats Pavlik with his speed and footwork but Calzaghe isn't going to come close to 'putting him down'.