Father and Son - 20years of lost potential?

[Kev]

Could someone please explain to me how someone who already has an absolutely 100% perfect record could have done any better?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Could someone please explain to me how someone who already has an absolutely 100% perfect record could have done any better?

Calzaghe has done very well.
It's rediculous to suggest that more is wanted from him.
(Although just you wait, someone will jump in saying he should have fought x y z.)

I'm just suggesting that Joe is good because of Joe.

[fugaziuk]

apparetley they don't watch other oppoenents fights - as joe says he fights the way he fights and he isn't going to toil over hours of videos and change his style for each differen fight.

[Tins06]

Nice one for reply's guys..I'll get round to reppin everyone shortly..after reading a few comments spose it boils down to he's undeafeted in 45..Not much room for improvment lol.

[DaxxKahn]

Could someone please explain to me how someone who already has an absolutely 100% perfect record could have done any better?

The masses are never happy Bilbo you know that

[southakron314]

I think on Saturday night Enzo showed his lack of true world class experiance he didn't offer Calzaghe a plan B at any time he was shouting and screaming trust me trust me but he was never 100% confident in his own advise.

That really isnt going to help Lockett.

[Tins06]

I think on Saturday night Enzo showed his lack of true world class experiance he didn't offer Calzaghe a plan B at any time he was shouting and screaming trust me trust me but he was never 100% confident in his own advise.

That really isnt going to help Lockett.

Locket is gonna need divine intervention lol he could have angelo Dundee in his corner and it dont think it would make a difference.

[CFH]

I think on Saturday night Enzo showed his lack of true world class experiance he didn't offer Calzaghe a plan B at any time he was shouting and screaming trust me trust me but he was never 100% confident in his own advise.

That really isnt going to help Lockett.

A baseball bat wouldn't help Lockett against Pavlik.

[Deanrw]

Could someone please explain to me how someone who already has an absolutely 100% perfect record could have done any better?

I see nothing wrong with what he did. He made a shitload of money in the UK defending the WBO belt. As a fan of the sport, I wish he would have fought over here a couple years sooner. If he would have fought Lacy here, he would have got a ton more press and exposure and truly exercised his skill to the American media. The potential matchups after that fight would have been mouth watering

[Kev]

Could someone please explain to me how someone who already has an absolutely 100% perfect record could have done any better?

I see nothing wrong with what he did. He made a shitload of money in the UK defending the WBO belt. As a fan of the sport, I wish he would have fought over here a couple years sooner. If he would have fought Lacy here, he would have got a ton more press and exposure and truly exercised his skill to the American media. The potential matchups after that fight would have been mouth watering

I agree his career could have been handled better with him pursuing the big fights sooner but that's the promotional side of boxing and has nothing to whatsoever to do with his trainers ability to prepare Joe for a fight.

[Kev]

apparetley they don't watch other oppoenents fights - as joe says he fights the way he fights and he isn't going to toil over hours of videos and change his style for each differen fight.

I don't see any problem with this to be honest. Whatever works for him is fine by me. Some fighters like to analyse countless hours of tapes of their opponents others arn't concerned.

The correct choice depends entirely on the mindest of the fighter in question. Joe clearly isn't concerned with studying everything his opponent does. It's an equally valid opinion, after all what if you prepare meticulously for an opponent based on a careful study of his previous fights and he comes in and fights with a totally different gameplan against you?

And at the end of the day let's remember that Bhop studied everything about Joe yet he still lost to him so watching tapes of your opponent clearly isn't the deciding factor in a fight.

[DaxxKahn]

apparetley they don't watch other oppoenents fights - as joe says he fights the way he fights and he isn't going to toil over hours of videos and change his style for each differen fight.

I don't see any problem with this to be honest. Whatever works for him is fine by me. Some fighters like to analyse countless hours of tapes of their opponents others arn't concerned.

The correct choice depends entirely on the mindest of the fighter in question. Joe clearly isn't concerned with studying everything his opponent does. It's an equally valid opinion, after all what if you prepare meticulously for an opponent based on a careful study of his previous fights and he comes in and fights with a totally different gameplan against you?

And at the end of the day let's remember that Bhop studied everything about Joe yet he still lost to him so watching tapes of your opponent clearly isn't the deciding factor in a fight.

Well said about not studying tapes and why...Many top level fighters just leave that to their trainers and management just for that reason...I know a ton of fighters that rather just go in the ring and adjust as the fight progresses....So they don't go in and have a gameplan for just one style...then end up finding a whole different style to adjust to...Also it is possible they actually detract from their own selves by not working and keeping their own style sharp during training camp because they spent all their time trying to fight accodringly and missing thier own strong points

It show also the quality of a fighter if they can go in and just adjust to what is in front of them

[Deanrw]

Could someone please explain to me how someone who already has an absolutely 100% perfect record could have done any better?

I see nothing wrong with what he did. He made a shitload of money in the UK defending the WBO belt. As a fan of the sport, I wish he would have fought over here a couple years sooner. If he would have fought Lacy here, he would have got a ton more press and exposure and truly exercised his skill to the American media. The potential matchups after that fight would have been mouth watering

I agree his career could have been handled better with him pursuing the big fights sooner but that's the promotional side of boxing and has nothing to whatsoever to do with his trainers ability to prepare Joe for a fight.

Sorry I got sidetracked with my own thinking there. I don't see how jumping trainers can help a fighter when all they have experienced is success. Stick with what you are familiar with. I see Pavlik doing the same thing. Besides, many of the "expert" trainers are just media creations and you are better off with a trainer who knows not only your capabilities, but also your weaknesses, as well as your mindset. Selecting a new trainer is like going into a fight cold. If you are on a losing streak, well then sure, go for it.

With my first post i was thinking Enzo and Joe should have pushed Warren to fight over here sooner.

[killersheep]

I thought Enzo really dropped the ball in the corner this last fight. He mentioned nothing like "Hopkins is trying to catch you coming in with a short right" or "he is trying to always tie you up inside, take a step back and let your hands go".

He basically said "punch more" That isn't useful at all, and may be acceptable for lower levels of the game, but definately not on the world stage.

Speaking of trainers though Roach hasn't done too well recently has he?
Aside from PAC of course.

[Althugz]

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I'm sure he's seen many Hopkins fights, but I doubt he sat down with Enzo for any decent period of time during the build up to actually devise a strategy, and it certainly showed.[/quote]

In the latest issue of 'Sport' Calzaghe actually said that he never watches his opponents fights for more than a round or 2 to get a basic feel for their style. Then he says he just makes adjustments on the night.