Question for the biblical religious

[El Kabong]

So are gravity and electromagnetic theory. That's because, although there's endless evidence to show that our observations and calculations of gravity and electricity are correct, it may be, for instance, that Jesus's tears come down from heaven and invisibly insert themselves in the gravitational/electrical process. Because we can't rule out every possible alternative then gravity and electricity have to remain theories, like evolution.

Lyle, you could spend your entire life studying stuff we already discovered about evolution and still only scratch the surface of our current knowledge. The evidence is vast and overwhelming. Only in parts of America is it even questioned.

Hey Newton has a LAW for gravity....a THEORY is a THEORY might I remind you that there used to be a lot of theories which are now obsolete.

Superseded scientific theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So today's FACT is tomorrow's FICTION in a lot of cases...I'm not saying everything is wrong in science, I am just saying I like to question things

[Kirkland Laing]

You can have laws within theories Lyle.

History of gravitational theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interestingly, a guy at MIT has just rewritten part of the quantum field theory. But the whole thing is still only theoretical.

[El Kabong]

Well there you go, you just proved a point for me

[Kirkland Laing]

OK, then.

[El Kabong]

If you don't question the theories that are already in place then the world is still flat....you get me know on why I question things?

[Kirkland Laing]

If you don't question the theories that are already in place then the world is still flat....you get me know on why I question things?

Yes, Lyle, you're a scientific grandmaster.

[El Kabong]

Fine, be sarcastic, I am just saying if no one questioned these scientific facts then the world wouldn't be any different than it was in the dark ages where religion ruled over everyone and controlled what they thought....only there would be no Pope only some sort of teacher with tenure

[pacfan]

I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans. I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones. This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.

[pacfan]

I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans.

I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones.

This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.

Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

'...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.

[Andre]

I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans.

I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones.

This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.

Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

'...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.

If you read the bible From Aramaic straight into English (the preceeding launguage to Hebrew or Greek) it makes alot more sence with its deeper meanings.
You have to know the immediate areas intimate history too if you are to try and take things literally.

"I shall come as a thief in the night" literally from the times means I shall be banging and crashing cymbols and swords with torches held high in the sky and you will hear me comming for a long time before my arrival.
That is how thieves used to come in the night through the desert in those times.

It has come through from Aramaic to Hebrew, Greek,latin,German into English. If you think 4 languages of translation cant change some things.... then Lyle has a massive Southern Bridge he wants to sell you.

Much of the original information on creation of Earth and its many different forms of humans and time structures was written in Summarian picture form and hiroglyphs prior to any sscript writing too.