Question for the biblical religious

[El Kabong]

Al had a thought for the day



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Al there's nothing wrong with being spiritual or believing in the Bible or Jesus or whatever religion you want to mention but once organized religion takes over you're in trouble. All Organized religion is The New Roman Empire, The Persian Empire (Shia Muslims), The Arab Empire (Sunni Muslims) and so on and so forth....it's the same thing just in a different more accepted package.

I advocate thinking for yourself and using any scripture to learn about a different more peaceful way of thinking and being.

[Dark Lord Al]

Al had a thought for the day



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Al there's nothing wrong with being spiritual or believing in the Bible or Jesus or whatever religion you want to mention but once organized religion takes over you're in trouble. All Organized religion is The New Roman Empire, The Persian Empire (Shia Muslims), The Arab Empire (Sunni Muslims) and so on and so forth....it's the same thing just in a different more accepted package.

I advocate thinking for yourself and using any scripture to learn about a different more peaceful way of thinking and being.

Freedom of thought is one thing in life , but fairy tales from all around the world . Well each to their own i guess.
But you ever wonder if you have a jewish friend and you are say muslim or christian , one of you if not all of you are wrong in what you believe ?
OR FOR CONVIENIENCE IS THERE LOTS OF " GOD'S " MAYBE THEY SUBCONTRACTED THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ?

Your opinion is fine Lyle but for me it doesnt come close to adding up , or making any sence what so ever.
Evolution is how life is created - sun - water natural elements not some guy sat on a cloud.

[luvfightgame]

Al had a thought for the day



ALERT THE MEDIA!



Al there's nothing wrong with being spiritual or believing in the Bible or Jesus or whatever religion you want to mention but once organized religion takes over you're in trouble. All Organized religion is The New Roman Empire, The Persian Empire (Shia Muslims), The Arab Empire (Sunni Muslims) and so on and so forth....it's the same thing just in a different more accepted package.

I advocate thinking for yourself and using any scripture to learn about a different more peaceful way of thinking and being.

Freedom of thought is one thing in life , but fairy tales from all around the world . Well each to their own i guess.
But you ever wonder if you have a jewish friend and you are say muslim or christian , one of you if not all of you are wrong in what you believe ?
OR FOR CONVIENIENCE IS THERE LOTS OF " GOD'S " MAYBE THEY SUBCONTRACTED THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ?

Your opinion is fine Lyle but for me it doesnt come close to adding up , or making any sence what so ever.
Evolution is how life is created - sun - water natural elements not some guy sat on a cloud.

Al,

This is exactly why evolution isn't and can't be considered science. First off proving or disproving whether there is a God doesn't prove evolution. See evolution always has an agenda and is trying to prove it by forcing the facts into a preconceived notion. Proving that evolution doesn't exist doesn't prove there is a God either. It simply eliminates a possibility.

Your argument is the exact reason I keep posting in this thread. You claim that evolution makes sense, but I am quite sure you don't know very much about it or you wouldn't make that argument. It is a very poorly constructed theory and uses assumptions to support it rather than observations or tests. It is a philosophy plain and simple. No evidence for evolution exists, the only reason it is widely proposed and accepted is because the alternative is God and that is completely unacceptable for science. Here's a couple quotes from evolutionists....

“We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”
-Biochemist, Franklin M. Harold

"After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort could not be proved to take place today, had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past." Loren Eiseley, Ph.D. Anthropology, The Immense Journey, Random House, NY, 1957, p. 199

The thing about evolution is that it makes sense if you listen to the general idea and don't look closely at the details. If you examine them closely you will see it doesn't make much sense. The evolution of a single process would be miraculous let alone thousands of them working in synchronization. Think of the systems required to support life just internally, not even counting the environment. The main idea goes back to a single celled life form.

I dare you to do a little research on a single celled life form and still explain to me how simple it is to have developed on its own. A single cell still has more moving parts and is more complicated than the computer you are reading this on. Check it out on your own.

[El Kabong]

Freedom of thought is one thing in life , but fairy tales from all around the world . Well each to their own i guess.
But you ever wonder if you have a jewish friend and you are say muslim or christian , one of you if not all of you are wrong in what you believe ?
OR FOR CONVIENIENCE IS THERE LOTS OF " GOD'S " MAYBE THEY SUBCONTRACTED THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ?

Your opinion is fine Lyle but for me it doesnt come close to adding up , or making any sence what so ever.
Evolution is how life is created - sun - water natural elements not some guy sat on a cloud.

What started everything out? You don't think it's freaking amazing that we had single cell orgamisms that were living beings? How many of the other planets in our Solar System have that??

Al if you bothered to check out what Joseph Campbell had to say maybe your eyes would be opened...he knew about ALL religions and compared and contrasted them and found out they usually all say the same thing which is un-freaking-believeable considering the travelling being so difficult and everything.

[Andre]

Al had a thought for the day



ALERT THE MEDIA!



Al there's nothing wrong with being spiritual or believing in the Bible or Jesus or whatever religion you want to mention but once organized religion takes over you're in trouble. All Organized religion is The New Roman Empire, The Persian Empire (Shia Muslims), The Arab Empire (Sunni Muslims) and so on and so forth....it's the same thing just in a different more accepted package.

I advocate thinking for yourself and using any scripture to learn about a different more peaceful way of thinking and being.

Doh, I have to spread rep around !

Well said Mate,couldnt agree more.
But there is more in all the scriptures if you wish to explore even on creation and evolution both are correct its a blend ;the real pathways back wasnt completly hidden either if you care to seek them.

All the bible bashers recon they are off to Heaven from one belife ,(CHristians number iin their millions) when in the bible it also states only 130,000 will be accending this next time around. It also states that if you are so much as luke warm you will be spat from the mouth of Christ etc.
Whats 3 million minus 130,000 ? MAybe the Good books creator accidently left a digit out...

IT isnt just cut and dried there are many ways ,many groups,many destinations in many dimensions and many personal choices to either decend or to accend its not just one road up and the same one down (can be if you choose it).
It isnt just heaven and hell with Earth stuck in the middle we are on a muti-dimentional playing field,we in truth are a ball in space amongst trillions of others, some alive, some dormant, some dieing off, others being born, or transmuted, there is no real up and no real down to any of it from our physical stand point.
There is a black hole that spins like a plug hole and our whole solar system is heading slowly towards it. From our set of rules it looks devestating cause we cant exist there as our light disappears into it and appears to be consumed by it. Light speed is eternal ! it is not constant out there as we have measured it to be here.

[Dark Lord Al]

I think i had better leave this debate before i offend any of you believers (which i dont intend to do as you are entitled to your opinions )

[Andre]

I think i had better leave this debate before i offend any of you believers (which i dont intend to do as you are entitled to your opinions )

You have my deepest appreciation for your view point AL.
Without yours; my one (Which is opposite to yours)could not exist as it does and would fall flat to all my sences.
Experience can only be had by relating to something else.
We are for the time being in duality supported by a third entity.

Its the third thing ot GOD that stands alone and does so by choice.

I only know I am here because I have something to relate to not being here.
If you were here on your own, zip, you would have no thing to relate to.

Everything is like that, but only in this the third dimension. The other 12 have different make ups completly but some simular only up to the 6th.
Seperation and relation cease at a certain frequency as does all physicality.

[luvfightgame]

I think i had better leave this debate before i offend any of you believers (which i dont intend to do as you are entitled to your opinions )

No offense taken. I was arguing evolution stand alone. Not as compared to another faith. That's when you see the holes in the theory. If you compare it to something else, it makes sense. If you try to stand it up on it's own, it won't do it.

The fact remains.....

A male and female of a species both had to evolve at the same time with a reproductive system in place and a method to feed the offspring, and themselves. And the food system had to evolve also and reproducing enough to feed the other thing long enough. There is no stand alone life form. It's all interdependent which makes evolution that much harder to believe.

You are entitled to your opinion as well, just don't call it a fact when it's an opinion, and not at all settled fact.

[pacfan]

I think i had better leave this debate before i offend any of you believers (which i dont intend to do as you are entitled to your opinions )

No offense taken. I was arguing evolution stand alone. Not as compared to another faith. That's when you see the holes in the theory. If you compare it to something else, it makes sense. If you try to stand it up on it's own, it won't do it.

The fact remains.....

A male and female of a species both had to evolve at the same time with a reproductive system in place and a method to feed the offspring, and themselves. And the food system had to evolve also and reproducing enough to feed the other thing long enough. There is no stand alone life form. It's all interdependent which makes evolution that much harder to believe.

You are entitled to your opinion as well, just don't call it a fact when it's an opinion, and not at all settled fact.

Excellent observation. The theory has some fatal loopholes that leaves it still just a theory after more than a century. One of its flaws is that it is anchored solely on the process of natural selection that must favor the most successful or prolific breeders; no other criteria are allowed. It fails to explain why we have eyebrows, which I discussed earlier. Definitely, the eyebrows, which protect our eyes from irritating sweats, has nothing to do with our ability to reproduce and continue our progeny. So why was it put there, for our convenience? Of course scientists will never accept that. I'm pretty sure there are other parts of our body that perform some useful functions in our life but have nothing to do with our ability to reproduce. So why are they there or why were they evolved?

[luvfightgame]

True, very true.

That's why doctors now remove organs and say we don't need them anymore. I had a friend that was an untrained mechanic. He could figure some things out, but whenever he reassembled things there would always be leftover pieces. He said they weren't necessary, but he was always working on his car.

I ain't opting for having anything removed. Just because a human thinks it doesn't serve a purpose, doesn't mean they are right. I have seen enough bad medical advice, I ain't believing everything I hear from someone cause they have a long title or an impressive degree that they paid for.....

I have mingled with enough "professionals" to know that some idiots just make more money than others, and having a degree doesn't mean you're intelligent, just means you went to school and at least passed the minimum requirements.