Calzaghe or Jones Jr. Greatest SMW of all time

[Master]

The fact that Ottke name is even compared to Joe Galzaghe shows that he does not even compare to Roy Jones. Sure Joe holds an impressive record but Jones could have done all that if he wanted too, no Roy did far better and at his best he would beat Joe any day of the week.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

The fact that Ottke name is even compared to Joe Galzaghe shows that he does not even compare to Roy Jones. Sure Joe holds an impressive record but Jones could have done all that if he wanted too, no Roy did far better and at his best he would beat Joe any day of the week.

i'll second that.............prime jones v prime calzaghe.........roy wins everytime. 43 year old hopkins show joes no great

[CFH]

I voted Jones because even though Calzaghe obviously has spent more time at SMW and accumulated more belts, I feel that if they met at SMW when both were in their primes RJJ would win. I also feel that James Toney is a better fighter than anyone JC has fought, by defeating him RJJ has the best victory at the weight. Additionally, RJJ was considered to be the best P4P for many years, something JC has never achieved - while that is not Calzaghe's fault necessarily, if feel it is another factor in RJJ's favor.

[SweetPea]

Answering the question is simple as long as you clear up one issue...

What's more important, the length of the reign, or who was more dominant at the weight?

If it's all about the former, then the answer has to be Calzaghe. If it's the latter, then the answer has to be Jones, because the prime Jones would smoke the prime Calzaghe and Jones' win over Toney is more impressive than any win Calzaghe had at 168.

[Taeth]

Roy moved up because despite people saying they "Wanted" to fight him none of the brittish guys with big names at the time were willing to come over and fight him... it was a nice excuse on their part to avoid fighting Roy. Roy in his prime would destroy Calzaghe.

[DaxxKahn]

Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all time due to the fact of the length of his reign and he has reigned so long without question on who the man in the division is...

Jones was not at SMW for too much of a time to be considered even IMO...there are others in the past that could be considered on the list against Calzaghe in terms of SMW legecy...Just my opp though

Now With that being said!!!

I have stated this before and will continue to say this until someone comes along and proves otherwise...

Roy Jones Jr is without a doubt the greatest skilled fighter with natural ability I have ever seen when he was at 168....Now I did not say the most tech sound fighter so don't people start saying he had flaws he left hands down etc we all know that....but in terms of natural ability and ability to adjust and do what he wanted when he wanted in the ring without ever the fear of being on the losing end or caught and KO'd by a punch...Roy Jones had that....The speed to move and avoid shots, the ability to be unorthadox and fight with hands at waist against big punchers...the power he posessed etc at SMW was beyond praise in the fighting world.....

It was just a short amount of time he was there though to be considered as an ATG of the division

[Pugilistic]

Joe calzaghe fought and dominated that division. he is the number 1 fighter at supermiddleweight. Jones didn't stay there long enough to be rated so high for me.

[Galaxy]

Calzaghe!

Hey killer can you edit your 1st post, Calzaghe is Ring champ! He was #1 when he fought Lacy. With the victory he became champion. (But I know what you meant)

On an all time P4P list Jones would be well ahead of Calzaghe, but as a Super-middleweight Calzaghe achieved a lot more. He pretty much cleaned out the division (all that was missing was a bout with Ottke). Unified the championship.

Jones' win over Toney was exceptional but it doesn't qualify him as the greatest SM, one win doesn't out weight a whole body of work. Just because Douglas beat Tyson doesn't qualify him for the greatest top 10 heavies.

[Doot]

I don't know but I think 11 fights in a division is long enough to be considered.
That would equal out to be like 3 or more years at SMW that isn't that short of a time.

[njackets]

Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all time due to the fact of the length of his reign and he has reigned so long without question on who the man in the division is...

Jones was not at SMW for too much of a time to be considered even IMO...there are others in the past that could be considered on the list against Calzaghe in terms of SMW legecy...Just my opp though

Now With that being said!!!

I have stated this before and will continue to say this until someone comes along and proves otherwise...

Roy Jones Jr is without a doubt the greatest skilled fighter with natural ability I have ever seen when he was at 168....Now I did not say the most tech sound fighter so don't people start saying he had flaws he left hands down etc we all know that....but in terms of natural ability and ability to adjust and do what he wanted when he wanted in the ring without ever the fear of being on the losing end or caught and KO'd by a punch...Roy Jones had that....The speed to move and avoid shots, the ability to be unorthadox and fight with hands at waist against big punchers...the power he posessed etc at SMW was beyond praise in the fighting world.....

It was just a short amount of time he was there though to be considered as an ATG of the division

I completly agree with what he's said,he's saved me the trouble of typing it out,RJJ at SMW was as close 2 a unbeatable Boxer there has ever been! I did vote 4 Calzaghe though as he's done more at the weight.

[Hulk]

Answering the question is simple as long as you clear up one issue...

What's more important, the length of the reign, or who was more dominant at the weight?

If it's all about the former, then the answer has to be Calzaghe. If it's the latter, then the answer has to be Jones, because the prime Jones would smoke the prime Calzaghe and Jones' win over Toney is more impressive than any win Calzaghe had at 168.

Look at you usin words like "former" and "latter", fancy bastard! lol. If its a matter of who would win in their primes, its Roy Jones EASY.

Calzaghe did spend more time there and make it his weightclass for a LONG time though.

Just like how Hopkins made Middleweight his. No one tries to argue that Jones is the greatest MW, so why say he was the greatest SMW?

He was just the GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME IN ANY WEIGHT CLASS EVER.
Thats enough for me.

[SweetPea]

No one tries to argue that Jones is the greatest MW, so why say he was the greatest SMW?

That's because middleweight has featured fighters like Robinson and Hagler, who are historically greater than Jones by any measure. There's no legit claim for Jones as the greatest middleweight ever.

[donnydarkoIRL]

No one tries to argue that Jones is the greatest MW, so why say he was the greatest SMW?

That's because middleweight has featured fighters like Robinson and Hagler, who are historically greater than Jones by any measure. There's no legit claim for Jones as the greatest middleweight ever.

There's an arguement that there's no case for SRR as greatest Middleweight either.

Not nitpicking, just thinking aloud.

[Dark Lord Al]

Calzaghe has made more defences of the SM division yes.
As for him beating Roy Jones or James Toney , dont be silly
a 43 year old Hopkins took him to a close verdict ,Lacy and Kessler are nothing compared to Jones and Toney.
Calzaghe spent his prime fighting nobodies.

He is not an all time great , sorry Calzaghe fans but history will tell you this in years to come.