Calzaghe or Jones Jr. Greatest SMW of all time

[SweetPea]

Answering the question is simple as long as you clear up one issue...

What's more important, the length of the reign, or who was more dominant at the weight?

If it's all about the former, then the answer has to be Calzaghe. If it's the latter, then the answer has to be Jones, because the prime Jones would smoke the prime Calzaghe and Jones' win over Toney is more impressive than any win Calzaghe had at 168.

[Taeth]

Roy moved up because despite people saying they "Wanted" to fight him none of the brittish guys with big names at the time were willing to come over and fight him... it was a nice excuse on their part to avoid fighting Roy. Roy in his prime would destroy Calzaghe.

[DaxxKahn]

Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all time due to the fact of the length of his reign and he has reigned so long without question on who the man in the division is...

Jones was not at SMW for too much of a time to be considered even IMO...there are others in the past that could be considered on the list against Calzaghe in terms of SMW legecy...Just my opp though

Now With that being said!!!

I have stated this before and will continue to say this until someone comes along and proves otherwise...

Roy Jones Jr is without a doubt the greatest skilled fighter with natural ability I have ever seen when he was at 168....Now I did not say the most tech sound fighter so don't people start saying he had flaws he left hands down etc we all know that....but in terms of natural ability and ability to adjust and do what he wanted when he wanted in the ring without ever the fear of being on the losing end or caught and KO'd by a punch...Roy Jones had that....The speed to move and avoid shots, the ability to be unorthadox and fight with hands at waist against big punchers...the power he posessed etc at SMW was beyond praise in the fighting world.....

It was just a short amount of time he was there though to be considered as an ATG of the division

[Pugilistic]

Joe calzaghe fought and dominated that division. he is the number 1 fighter at supermiddleweight. Jones didn't stay there long enough to be rated so high for me.

[Galaxy]

Calzaghe!

Hey killer can you edit your 1st post, Calzaghe is Ring champ! He was #1 when he fought Lacy. With the victory he became champion. (But I know what you meant)

On an all time P4P list Jones would be well ahead of Calzaghe, but as a Super-middleweight Calzaghe achieved a lot more. He pretty much cleaned out the division (all that was missing was a bout with Ottke). Unified the championship.

Jones' win over Toney was exceptional but it doesn't qualify him as the greatest SM, one win doesn't out weight a whole body of work. Just because Douglas beat Tyson doesn't qualify him for the greatest top 10 heavies.

[Doot]

I don't know but I think 11 fights in a division is long enough to be considered.
That would equal out to be like 3 or more years at SMW that isn't that short of a time.

[Beanflicker]

On skill, ability, and who would win a SMW fight between the two? Roy Jones hands down, he has the edge on Calzaghe in pretty much every catagory.

But on accomplishment, you gotta give it to Calzaghe. He has done a lot more at SMW, and Jones never stayed at SMW very long.

[Galaxy]

I don't know but I think 11 fights in a division is long enough to be considered.
That would equal out to be like 3 or more years at SMW that isn't that short of a time.

Yeah but its what he done in that time at that weight & Calzaghe's achievements well outweigh Jones' at 168

[Galaxy]

Hey killer

Calzaghes record at 168 should be:35-0 (23)

Jones' record at 168 should be:13-0 (11)

If anyones interested their opponents combined W/L/D at 168

Calzaghe:783-176-23

Jones:321-51-8

[eagle]

I think its pretty easy really. Joe Calzaghe has the greatest record at 168, but Jones is the greatest fighter to fight at 168.

Its the same in a lot of divisions. Take 154 for example. Norris and Mcallum may have the greatest records in that division but Hearns was probably a better fighter than both when he fought there.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

i have to bring sven ottka into this again. like joe he made 21 defences, like joe he stayed at home doing so, he even had two bigger belts, WBA, IBF so if calzaghe fans want to call there man the best, svens goto be in this cake

[southakron314]

I say Roy Jones Jr. He fought the tougher guys. He knocked a man down three times in one round and was never hit. In his prime he was by far the greatest fighter alive. Mayweather does not impress me like Jones Jr did.

[Violent Demise]

Jones easily. I'm shocked the voting is so close. I didn't think there were that many idiots on this forum. Guess I was wrong.

[BIG H]

It's Calzaghe at SMW surely without debate? RJJ p4p YES, but Calzaghe has reigned for 11 years at SMW, RJJ didn't fight anybody of any note except Toney at SMW!!!

[njackets]

Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all time due to the fact of the length of his reign and he has reigned so long without question on who the man in the division is...

Jones was not at SMW for too much of a time to be considered even IMO...there are others in the past that could be considered on the list against Calzaghe in terms of SMW legecy...Just my opp though

Now With that being said!!!

I have stated this before and will continue to say this until someone comes along and proves otherwise...

Roy Jones Jr is without a doubt the greatest skilled fighter with natural ability I have ever seen when he was at 168....Now I did not say the most tech sound fighter so don't people start saying he had flaws he left hands down etc we all know that....but in terms of natural ability and ability to adjust and do what he wanted when he wanted in the ring without ever the fear of being on the losing end or caught and KO'd by a punch...Roy Jones had that....The speed to move and avoid shots, the ability to be unorthadox and fight with hands at waist against big punchers...the power he posessed etc at SMW was beyond praise in the fighting world.....

It was just a short amount of time he was there though to be considered as an ATG of the division

I completly agree with what he's said,he's saved me the trouble of typing it out,RJJ at SMW was as close 2 a unbeatable Boxer there has ever been! I did vote 4 Calzaghe though as he's done more at the weight.