Calzaghe or Jones Jr. Greatest SMW of all time

[Galaxy]

Calzaghe!

Hey killer can you edit your 1st post, Calzaghe is Ring champ! He was #1 when he fought Lacy. With the victory he became champion. (But I know what you meant)

On an all time P4P list Jones would be well ahead of Calzaghe, but as a Super-middleweight Calzaghe achieved a lot more. He pretty much cleaned out the division (all that was missing was a bout with Ottke). Unified the championship.

Jones' win over Toney was exceptional but it doesn't qualify him as the greatest SM, one win doesn't out weight a whole body of work. Just because Douglas beat Tyson doesn't qualify him for the greatest top 10 heavies.

[Doot]

I don't know but I think 11 fights in a division is long enough to be considered.
That would equal out to be like 3 or more years at SMW that isn't that short of a time.

[Beanflicker]

On skill, ability, and who would win a SMW fight between the two? Roy Jones hands down, he has the edge on Calzaghe in pretty much every catagory.

But on accomplishment, you gotta give it to Calzaghe. He has done a lot more at SMW, and Jones never stayed at SMW very long.

[Galaxy]

I don't know but I think 11 fights in a division is long enough to be considered.
That would equal out to be like 3 or more years at SMW that isn't that short of a time.

Yeah but its what he done in that time at that weight & Calzaghe's achievements well outweigh Jones' at 168

[Galaxy]

Hey killer

Calzaghes record at 168 should be:35-0 (23)

Jones' record at 168 should be:13-0 (11)

If anyones interested their opponents combined W/L/D at 168

Calzaghe:783-176-23

Jones:321-51-8

[Deanrw]

When Jones fought at 168, he was not only the most dominating fighter of his era, but who I consider one of the top fighters of all time regardless of weight class. He was that good.

[eagle]

I think its pretty easy really. Joe Calzaghe has the greatest record at 168, but Jones is the greatest fighter to fight at 168.

Its the same in a lot of divisions. Take 154 for example. Norris and Mcallum may have the greatest records in that division but Hearns was probably a better fighter than both when he fought there.

[ono]

Jones on talent

Calzaghe on achievements.

I'd have backed Jones to Beat Calzaghe, but i don't think he would smoke him like a few on here have been saying. Calzaghe is too good to get smoked by anyone. I think Calzaghe's work rate would be a potential problem for Jones. But Jones would present many more problems than just workrate.

[Tins06]

Imo you can't give someone the number one spot based on assumptions.Sure Jones JNR was shit hot at SMW and probably would have schooled anyone. But you can't deny Calzaghe his rightful claim to the best SMW of all time just because Roy Jones at a couple of years at the weight and looked good beating people up.

10yrs undefeated.Ring champ,Unified champ..huge problems with his hands throughout his career and he came through it by adapting his style as he aged. Unlike Jones Calzaghe does not rely on his athletisicm..he had to change his style over the years...this for me makes you better than just being amazing in your "prime".

[NUCLEAR BULL]

i have to bring sven ottka into this again. like joe he made 21 defences, like joe he stayed at home doing so, he even had two bigger belts, WBA, IBF so if calzaghe fans want to call there man the best, svens goto be in this cake

[njackets]

i have to bring sven ottka into this again. like joe he made 21 defences, like joe he stayed at home doing so, he even had two bigger belts, WBA, IBF so if calzaghe fans want to call there man the best, svens goto be in this cake

How many ppl got robbed going over 2 Germany 2 fight Ottka? Dont remember anyone getting robbed against Calzaghe!

[southakron314]

I say Roy Jones Jr. He fought the tougher guys. He knocked a man down three times in one round and was never hit. In his prime he was by far the greatest fighter alive. Mayweather does not impress me like Jones Jr did.

[southakron314]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK8qHnvBo9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kx9y...eature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uwr_WAZw44

Jones clearly has the quicker feet and the more one punch power.

[Violent Demise]

Jones easily. I'm shocked the voting is so close. I didn't think there were that many idiots on this forum. Guess I was wrong.

[BIG H]

Jones easily. I'm shocked the voting is so close. I didn't think there were that many idiots on this forum. Guess I was wrong.

Why? for beating who? Toney? coz he sure as sh1t didn't beat anybody else at SMW. Yes Jones is an ATG and yes he would very likely have beaten all the others at SMW, but he can't be 'The Greatest' unless he achived the most and he clearly did not (at this weight)