Calzaghe Throwing Away Greatness ?

[littlebif]

Jones is past his prime but he still has the speed with his right hand to cause Joe some problems.I can see Joe stopping Jones late on.

As for Pavlik he can be out boxed and gets fustrated we saw that against Taylor in the seconds fight although he did find away to win. Calzaghe is a better boxer than JT so iam picking Joe by ud in this fight.

[Master]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

[luvfightgame]

Pavlik would be great. Miranda, ok. Jones I don't really care. Tarver not impressed.

Tarver is too much mouth, not enough action. I would rather he fight Glen Johnson. He doesn't just need the big names. He could fight a lower name that's risky. Also he needs a few more in U.S. and he could finish with a soft one at home, get a ko and hang em up. Storybook career.

[Kev]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

[Dark Lord Al]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Bilbo if you dont consider Rocky a great then thats fine , but it doesnt make a guy who fought in a joke division and beat 3 good fighters a great either.

[Master]

Bilbo Relax! I never said Rocky was a great.

[Markusdarkus]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Bilbo if you dont consider Rocky a great then thats fine , but it doesnt make a guy who fought in a joke division and beat 3 good fighters a great either.

Was Rockys run in the Heavyweight division better than Calzaghes at 168?

Its fanboyism, the guy can punch ergo yay hes great.

[ssss]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

[Markusdarkus]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

39yo Walcott who Louis beat in much better fasion, 38yo Louis, 41yo Moore (Lightheavy), Ezzard Charles who lost 12 of his next 16 fights.

Dont be silly.

[trampie]

Beat me to it 'Markusdarkus', i have just spent the last 10 minutes surfing the net and writing down the ages of Marciano's victims only to find you beat me to it
For the record Marciano was aged between 29 and 32 while beating those old men.
'ssss' proberbly just like the vast majority of sports fans think Marciano is a boxing God, that is my very point, if Calzaghe finishes his career 50 and 0 breaking every record in the book including wins over Roy Jones jr, Hopkins and Kessler, Calzaghe will become a boxing legend, even if boxing connaisseurs think differently.
Marciano is a good comparison to Calzaghe, Marciano only won the world title against 5 different boxers and they were all old men, Louis and Walcott never boxed again they were so old, Marciano would not have beaten some {most} of his world title victims in their hayday.
If Calzaghe hands are shot, his heart is no longer in it, his reactions are gone fair enough retire, but if he is able to carry on he should try and get to 50 and 0 and take his chance for perceived greatness by the masses {even if the experts think/know different alla Marciano}

[ssss]

Beat me to it 'Markusdarkus', i have just spent the last 10 minutes surfing the net and writing down the ages of Marciano's victims only to find you beat me to it
For the record Marciano was aged between 29 and 32 while beating those old men.
'ssss' proberbly just like the vast majority of sports fans think Marciano is a boxing God, that is my very point, if Calzaghe finishes his career 50 and 0 breaking every record in the book including wins over Roy Jones jr, Hopkins and Kessler, Calzaghe will become a boxing legend, even if boxing connaisseurs think differently.
Marciano is a good comparison to Calzaghe, Marciano only won the world title against 5 different boxers and they were all old men, Louis and Walcott never boxed again they were so old, Marciano would not have beaten some {most} of his world title victims in their hayday.
If Calzaghe hands are shot, his heart is no longer in it, his reactions are gone fair enough retire, but if he is able to carry on he should try and get to 50 and 0 and take his chance for perceived greatness by the masses {even if the experts think/know different alla Marciano}

You missed the point i was just pointing out those names are more highly regarded than Kessler Hopkins Eubank look at all time P4P lists and Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis are all in top 15 fighters of all time regardless what age they were that is the facts amongst boxing historians and i don't hold Rocky Marciano as a boxing god i think there were atleast 4 Heavyweights better than him Jack Johnson Larry Holmes Muhammad Ali Joe Louis to name a few im not even Rocky Marciano fan i just have seen too much hating on Rocky Marciano on boxing forums when the fact is he beat every Heavyweight that needed beating in his era.

[Markusdarkus]

Beat me to it 'Markusdarkus', i have just spent the last 10 minutes surfing the net and writing down the ages of Marciano's victims only to find you beat me to it
For the record Marciano was aged between 29 and 32 while beating those old men.
'ssss' proberbly just like the vast majority of sports fans think Marciano is a boxing God, that is my very point, if Calzaghe finishes his career 50 and 0 breaking every record in the book including wins over Roy Jones jr, Hopkins and Kessler, Calzaghe will become a boxing legend, even if boxing connaisseurs think differently.
Marciano is a good comparison to Calzaghe, Marciano only won the world title against 5 different boxers and they were all old men, Louis and Walcott never boxed again they were so old, Marciano would not have beaten some {most} of his world title victims in their hayday.
If Calzaghe hands are shot, his heart is no longer in it, his reactions are gone fair enough retire, but if he is able to carry on he should try and get to 50 and 0 and take his chance for perceived greatness by the masses {even if the experts think/know different alla Marciano}

Rocky wouldnt have lasted 10rds with a prime Joe Louis.

[ssss]

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

39yo Walcott who Louis beat in much better fasion, 38yo Louis, 41yo Moore (Lightheavy), Ezzard Charles who lost 12 of his next 16 fights.

Dont be silly.

They were the best Heavyweights at that time regardless of age it isn't Rocky Marciano's fault he fought the best at that time and all of those names are more highly regarded than any names you mentioned regardless of age and if your bringing age into it remind me how old Bernard Hopkins was ? and remind me how much weight Chris Eubank had to lose in 1 week ? you can pick apart anyone resume infact you could make an argument most of Calzaghe's best opponents were past there prime but like i said Joe Calzaghe is very good fighter and i won't pick apart his record because like i said you can pick apart anyones resume even the great Sugar Ray Robinson.

[Markusdarkus]

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

39yo Walcott who Louis beat in much better fasion, 38yo Louis, 41yo Moore (Lightheavy), Ezzard Charles who lost 12 of his next 16 fights.

Dont be silly.

They were the best Heavyweights at that time regardless of age it isn't Rocky Marciano's fault he fought the best at that time and all of those names are more highly regarded than any names you mentioned regardless of age and if your bringing age into it remind me how old Bernard Hopkins was ? and remind me how much weight Chris Eubank had to lose in 1 week ? you can pick apart anyone resume infact you could make an argument most of Calzaghe's best opponents were past there prime but like i said Joe Calzaghe is very good fighter and i won't pick apart his record because like i said you can pick apart anyones resume even the great Sugar Ray Robinson.

Its not the Rocks fault im just pointing out that what he done is in no way better than what Joe Calzaghe done at 168.

The Rock had power thats why he is rememberd and maybe because he was white.

Salvador Sanchez did far more than the Rock retired 50 fights undefeated is he spoke about with such affection?

[NUCLEAR BULL]

ok its no secret i'm not a fan of calzaghes as is seen with all the things i've said about him on here.

i think he should retire soon, he's not lost which has always been his main goal, he's not built as record full of great names but has held a title for more then 10 years, at this point he seems only interested in fighting 40 year olds which won't give him the respect he wants. he could have been a much bigger name years ago had he just done things different. he has been great for british boxing, he's given us some decent fights in the last 2 years, has been a great role model as far as his image is concerned i dont ever remember him being in the headlines for any bad behavier.

best thing i feel is for him to have his one last fight and call it a day, the old saying goes once a fighter talks about retirement........ he's already retired in his mind, pushing it and you'll most prob come unstuck