Question for the biblical religious

[pacfan]

I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans.

I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones.

This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.

Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

'...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.

[Andre]

I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans.

I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones.

This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.

Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

'...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.

If you read the bible From Aramaic straight into English (the preceeding launguage to Hebrew or Greek) it makes alot more sence with its deeper meanings.
You have to know the immediate areas intimate history too if you are to try and take things literally.

"I shall come as a thief in the night" literally from the times means I shall be banging and crashing cymbols and swords with torches held high in the sky and you will hear me comming for a long time before my arrival.
That is how thieves used to come in the night through the desert in those times.

It has come through from Aramaic to Hebrew, Greek,latin,German into English. If you think 4 languages of translation cant change some things.... then Lyle has a massive Southern Bridge he wants to sell you.

Much of the original information on creation of Earth and its many different forms of humans and time structures was written in Summarian picture form and hiroglyphs prior to any sscript writing too.

[pacfan]

I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans.

I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones.

This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.

Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

'...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.

If you read the bible From Aramaic straight into English (the preceeding launguage to Hebrew or Greek) it makes alot more sence with its deeper meanings.
You have to know the immediate areas intimate history too if you are to try and take things literally.

"I shall come as a thief in the night" literally from the times means I shall be banging and crashing cymbols and swords with torches held high in the sky and you will hear me comming for a long time before my arrival.
That is how thieves used to come in the night through the desert in those times.

It has come through from Aramaic to Hebrew, Greek,latin,German into English. If you think 4 languages of translation cant change some things.... then Lyle has a massive Southern Bridge he wants to sell you.

Much of the original information on creation of Earth and its many different forms of humans and time structures was written in Summarian picture form and hiroglyphs prior to any sscript writing too.

Very interesting about different languages. I wish I had the time and the luxury to study them. I think the Revelations chapter would be an excellent one to study deeply because it is wrought with full of sybolism and I believe it is about the future. If anyone can interpret that correctly, I think we will know what's ahead.

This is an excellent thread, Andre; just wish I had more time. I'd be talking about your post yesterday, there at few blocks back, about cycles, waves etc., when I have time. I believe our world which is nothing more than an energy mass moves as a wave. Waves moves in cycles and that explains why certain things repeat themselves and why they come together. So there is no coincidence in this world, it's just a cycle.

[Andre]

Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

'...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.

If you read the bible From Aramaic straight into English (the preceeding launguage to Hebrew or Greek) it makes alot more sence with its deeper meanings.
You have to know the immediate areas intimate history too if you are to try and take things literally.

"I shall come as a thief in the night" literally from the times means I shall be banging and crashing cymbols and swords with torches held high in the sky and you will hear me comming for a long time before my arrival.
That is how thieves used to come in the night through the desert in those times.

It has come through from Aramaic to Hebrew, Greek,latin,German into English. If you think 4 languages of translation cant change some things.... then Lyle has a massive Southern Bridge he wants to sell you.

Much of the original information on creation of Earth and its many different forms of humans and time structures was written in Summarian picture form and hiroglyphs prior to any sscript writing too.

Very interesting about different languages. I wish I had the time and the luxury to study them. I think the Revelations chapter would be an excellent one to study deeply because it is wrought with full of sybolism and I believe it is about the future. If anyone can interpret that correctly, I think we will know what's ahead.

This is an excellent thread, Andre; just wish I had more time. I'd be talking about your post yesterday, there at few blocks back, about cycles, waves etc., when I have time. I believe our world which is nothing more than an energy mass moves as a wave. Waves moves in cycles and that explains why certain things repeat themselves and why they come together. So there is no coincidence in this world, it's just a cycle.

I think the cycle is about to reverse and we are about head back and shake off all what we have humanly built this up to be. The universe is in a situation soon that will have us plummenting out of a very fast turn.
Its taken thousands of years on this slow arc to get to here and its been painful. Now we are in the tighter part of and end curve (THE quikening); After we will head back and it will be joyful. Watch for many mentally falling off on the tightest part of the curve though!

[Andre]

Aramaic Peshitta Bible Repository - Lamsa Bible, Peshitto, Eastern Christianity

Pan Fan the study has been done for you.

[El Kabong]

Andre I take offense to what you said about me wanting to sell a bridge to anyone...you need to look at Joseph Campbell! That's what I am talking about!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-72CBTABHas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21vsD48tJLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmlBD3llrrk


You misinterpret what I mean and what I believe...seeing 'The Power of Myth' will fix what you have missed

[Andre]

Andre I take offense to what you said about me wanting to sell a bridge to anyone...you need to look at Joseph Campbell! That's what I am talking about!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-72CBTABHas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21vsD48tJLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmlBD3llrrk


You misinterpret what I mean and what I believe...seeing 'The Power of Myth' will fix what you have missed

No you got me wrong bro . Im on your side (usually,except for the irradication of waste humans), I didnt mean it to come out like dont belive what Lyle is saying ,sorry.

You said to me the other day that you have a bridge you want to sell us if we belived something or another. I liked the expression.

So your the one selling the bridge, nothing else ment by it mate.
No bridges around here either, lots down south where you are I'd imagine.

[pacfan]

Aramaic Peshitta Bible Repository - Lamsa Bible, Peshitto, Eastern Christianity

Pan Fan the study has been done for you.

Geesh, that was a real serious one. I wish I had the time to read them all. The daily devotion guide on my newspaper often does comment on some words or phrases that are not clear. They sometimes show the original meanings of the word in Aramaic, Greek etc. Like for example, I remember them explaining the word gehenna which is understood to mean hell but was actually meant to be something like a garbage dump in early Israel, though I'm not sure if I remember that correctly.

[Andre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baeT3...eature=related