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I seen 13 Fraud fights. That's more than enough to make an opinion on him. Is he talented? Yes he is. That's obvious. Can he be a title holder? Now a days he can be. Is he elite? No. Can he beat Kessler, Green, Calzaghe or Bute? No. He's not as good as them. It's that simple.
But hes on the up and people like Kessler and Green are on the down. Bute isnt showing too many signs of fighting a top ten fighter either and isnt making any noises at 168. Kessler-Froch is very likely to happen and it will be a very good fight. A question VD, over these 13 fights, is carl getting better or not? Thats what I need to know...
He's 30 years old. He's as good as he's going to get.
Thats where your wrong though, hes getting better as hes getting older, with more experience and better opposition hes growing more complete. He would bang with anybody between 168-175 fact.